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goswh
Nov 21, 2019Tutor
AP Mode with Ethernet Backhaul?
 I have an Orbi 2 satellite kit that I bought in March of 2017. Apparently it is now EOL and EOS.     I'm running the latest firmware as of yesterday's download and install, and still cannot get Ether...
- Nov 22, 2019Well, I fixed it. :-) It's a longer story, which I am happy to share here in detail, but before that long post here's the TL:DR: I consolidated a few different vendor switches in such a way that I had all NetGear ProSafe switches and no others. It gave me peace of mind to have an all Netgear infrastructure. And, "one throat to choke," so to speak. Well all but one bit of kit, and that's my trusty firewall. Speaking of, here's the short version - used an available port on the Netgate SG-5100 to be my dedicated Wireless/Wired home network and setup a 192.168.13.0 / 24 network complete with DNS, DHCP and all that in the pfSense firewall software running on the 5100. I work from home and segregate traffic for my VMLAB, Corporate Network, Home PCs, IOT devices, Wireless and more. Orbi's don't do that. :-) Configured all firewall rules for outbound and intra - lan access for my internal networks
- Configured all 5 Netgear switches with VLAN 13 for this new network.
- Added a factory defaulted RBR50 with the latest GA firmware to the firewall via the Internet port. Configured the Orbi Router to be in AP Mode. Went into Advanced Settings again and disabled Daisy Chaining (important for Next Steps further down the page). Connected the Router LAN port #1 to a Netgear switch configured wtih an untagged VLAN ID of 13 running a PVID of 13.
- Created trunk ports on all the switchs so that every switch would be able to carry all VLAN traffic to every corner of my network.
- Connected Orbi Satellites (SBS50 x 2; RBS20 x1) to the living, laundry & guest room Netgear swtiches configured the same way for VLAN 13 as described in Step 3. Didn't need to do anything to the satellites but plug them in to power and the network drop in each room.
 With the removal of the other networking gear and a reduction in my network stack, I'm actually getting better throughput, performance and stability on the wire and wireless sides of the setup. Even with the 4x4 MIMO and the 6X6 MIMO APs I had, I would normally get 60-100 MBps over Wireless. I had 6 APs (5 in the house, 1 in the office) and I never felt like I was getting my money's worth. And this was with my iMac being within 5 feet of an AP. The Orbi kit I ordered from Costco in March of 2017 sits 15 feet from my iMac and I get 200 to 400+ MBps over the wireless connection when I go to Fast.com in a browser. So clearly the Orbi's and the Qualcomm Chips they use, are something. Anyway, I appreciate the responses. It's always fun to roll up my shirt sleeves, pull and all nighter, and know that my tech skills are still somewhat relevant. Up Next: I am going to try to use the 2nd RBS20 that I have in the garage using wireless backhaul. The fact that I disabled daisy chaining is going to make this just about impossible, I realize. I'm only hesitant because I finally have this ethernet backhaul working, and I don't want to F with the settings. LOL! 
FURRYe38
Nov 21, 2019Guru - Experienced User
"I'm running the latest firmware as of yesterday's download and install, and still cannot get Ethernet Backhaul over these XS708T & 716T switches. " These are managed switches, be sure to disable ALL IGMP protocols on these switches. The RBS50 series does work while ethernet connected. I have one RBS50 behind 4 daisy changed non managed switches. Router or AP mode. No problems here.
Must be nice having 10Gb LAN support. :smileyhappy:
goswh wrote:I have an Orbi 2 satellite kit that I bought in March of 2017. Apparently it is now EOL and EOS.
I'm running the latest firmware as of yesterday's download and install, and still cannot get Ethernet Backhaul over these XS708T & 716T switches.
I've followed the directions and tried this several times and there is nothing I could find in any forum post on the topic after searching and reading for two days.
Scenario: PFsense 5100 hardware appliance is my router/firewall. I use AP mode because I don't want/need double NAT and I run VLANs.
All the diagrams for ethernet backhaul show the router's switch port 1 being the connection point for a successful ethernet backhaul, and I verified this using a standalone 108T.
However, backhaul ethernet does not work at all if the router is in AP mode.
From what I've been able to test and determine, Ethernet Backhaul is only supported with the RBR50 is in Router mode.
When in AP mode, the WAN port and the ethernet switch ports are bridged. The only MAC address that becomes available is the WAN (yellow) port. Since all the ports on the RBR are now switched, there is no logical separation of the Internet WAN port and the local switch ports.
When you use two separate ethernet connections to the RBR50 (one for the WAN and one for the LAN) the RBR50 craps out and cannot be used until I unplug the switch port, and leave the Internet port connected.
The satellites are connected to the same switch, on ports 5 & 6, and I've got them setup as untagged members of vlan 12.
I just find it odd that I cannot use Ethernet backhaul unless I keep "router mode" enabled.
Has anyone else experienced this?
Thanks,
//SWH