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bottomsup
May 06, 2020Guide
Is there a way to view data usage per device?
On Orbi RBK50 Thanks
AdrianM wrote:
Now I'm puzzled because I thought OSI model layer 2 network bridges acted as transparent connections between Ethernet segments. I thought they learned the MAC addresses of devices on each segment and forwarded traffic between them based on MAC. This way, all devices on both segments appeared to be on the same local network, without the need for any NAT or routing. You seem to be saying there will still be double NAT when using such a bridge?
Yes, a layer 2 bridge is equivalent to an Ethernet cable. It has no knowledge of layer 3, which where IP addresses exist. When the Orbi WAN port makes a DHCP request, the upstream router returns information:
- Use this IP address.
- Use this subnet mask
- The Gateway IP for any destination not on this subnet is MY IP ADDRESS.
- The default DNS IP is MY IP ADDRESS.
Both the Orbi WAN port and the upstream router are in the same IP subnet. It doesn't matter if they are connected with a physical cable, a layer 2 switch, a MoCA connection, a PowerLine connection. They all appear to both ends of the connection as an Ethernet cable.
This kind of sinks the idea of putting the Orbi into AP mode. (Lack of network separation).
I appreciate the fixation over Double NAT. What is not clear is if your internet use is affected by Double NAT. Thousands of customers simply unbox their new WiFi mesh system (Google Mesh, eero from Amazon, Asus, TP-Link, ... and Netgear), plug it into whatever thingy their ISP installed, and "off they go". In my neighborhood at least, a significant number of them do not even change the WiFi credentials from what was printed on the label. They have a Double NAT. Don't know what that is. And don't care.
Do you:
- Want access to LAN resources from the internet (access media server when not home? operate a public web site? want to view security cameras without using the vendor "cloud"?)
- Want to use a VPN tunnel to reach the Orbi router when not at home?
- Do internet gaming that requires you to forward ports through the router so that your home computer can at as a gaming server? i.e. the game will not work unless you forward ports?
All of those things are possible with a Double NAT, but are more complicated to set up and manage.
FURRYe38 will look into option 2 but ISP kit is extremely dumbed-down so not too hopeful about setting up DMZ.
CrimpOn Thanks again for the extra detailed explanation. Indeed I'm not in need of (or inclined) to access my LAN over a public IP or domain. So double NAT might be OK for me. What put me off is that when I tried it, the Orbi reacted by setting the subnet to 10.0.0.x and as I have lot's of home-brew IoT with baked-in IP's for various things running on local servers (there's around 30 reserved mappings for MAC to fixed IP to in the Orbi) and I don't want to re-flash a lot of embeded firmware. The Orbi looked like it was doing its best to honor the mappings by keeping the last byte of the IP though.
If I could somehow keep the same IPs handed out by the Orbi via DHCP then I'd be OK with this solution. I think I can change the IP address range for the ISP gateway DHCP and I did notice that it can also reserve specific IP's for connected device MACs. I just had to quickly revert to my old router/modem setup to keep the heating and lights going - so I hadn't looked into it further 🙄
- DatabaseJaseJan 07, 2020Luminary
The Orbi Mesh Network supports Daisy Chaining satellites so long as "Enable Daisy-Chain Topology" is turned on in Advanced Setup, Wireless Settings accessed via the WebUI. I can't be sure but this should be on by default. That means the satelites do not need a strong signal to the router and could instead route via other satelites using wireless backhaul including the satelite you have currently using ethernet backhaul to the router.
There is a chance that these extra satelites might go direct to the router if the signal is strong enough. There is some middle ground too as I've experienced where a satelite might initially go to the router and then switch to another satelite if the signal is borderline. I've moved our upstairs Orbi to make the signal to the router weaker which has stabalised this for me and now it always goes via the downstairs satelite.
Hope this helps.