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Double Nat when using AP Mode
I want to use my main fibre gateway router since it has more options and custom options and to do so I did as followed. I put the Orbi into AP mode , and continued to use fibre as main router. Proble...
Thanks For Responding. Yea I do not have much knowledge with some of the stuff and I assumed it was an Orbi Problem or something. Okay so for the solutions, how do i look up the ip address of all the devices. Will the netgear orbi app help with that or do i have to go to orbilogin.net to find out?.
For the features he fibre router has I just want to be clear its the gateway router my ISP provied us. Main feature is I can make 2.4 and 5.ghz networks with seperate SSID. I can manage all devices including my tv cable which is also from my ISP so its more convinient. I can see how much time and internet usage each device has used and at what time specifcally. Just from the phone app I can port forward, and do some other things that are beyond my knowledge.Its just overall more convinent because my landline, tv cable and internet are all in one place contrallable in the app
Kmandair04 wrote:
how do i look up the ip address of all the devices. Will the netgear orbi app help with that or do i have to go to orbilogin.net to find out?.
The Orbi app, the Orbi web interface Attached Devices and the ISP's app should all provide the IP address of every device connected to the network. (and, they should all provide the same IP address for each device.) In your situation, I would turn first to the ISP's app.
Kmandair04 wrote:
For the features he fibre router has I just want to be clear its the gateway router my ISP provied us. Main feature is I can make 2.4 and 5.ghz networks with seperate SSID. I can manage all devices including my tv cable which is also from my ISP so its more convinient. I can see how much time and internet usage each device has used and at what time specifcally. Just from the phone app I can port forward, and do some other things that are beyond my knowledge.Its just overall more convinent because my landline, tv cable and internet are all in one place contrallable in the app
Those are all excellent reasons. Thanks for explaining. Since the Orbi uses the same SSID for both 2.4G and 5G channels, would it be correct to assume that the ISP router is using a distinct SSID for a 2.4G to be used for Internet of Things (IoT) devices? If both the Orbi and the ISP router are broadcasting the same SSID, please be aware that device 'roaming' from Orbi to ISP (and back) will probably not be smooth. Whereas the Orbi 'knows about' WiFi devices that are connnected to the Orbi units, any devices connected directly to the ISP router will appear to the Orbi to be 'wired'. (It sees them across the ethernet cable to the ISP router, so that is a 'wire' connection. It has no idea that there is a WiFi component on the ISP router.)
I just went to the orbi web interface and went to attached devices and I saw the ip adresses. All devices connected to the orbi have ip adress starting with 192.168.1.(xx)
For my current setup, I have set my ISP fibre gateway to bridge mode to stop lagging on orbi, so when i go to the ISP interface it says 0 devices connected. Do you want me to disable bridge mode and then see what is the IP adress of the devices that connect?
Those are all excellent reasons. Thanks for explaining. Since the Orbi uses the same SSID for both 2.4G and 5G channels, would it be correct to assume that the ISP router is using a distinct SSID for a 2.4G to be used for Internet of Things (IoT) devices? If both the Orbi and the ISP router are broadcasting the same SSID, please be aware that device 'roaming' from Orbi to ISP (and back) will probably not be smooth. Whereas the Orbi 'knows about' WiFi devices that are connnected to the Orbi units, any devices connected directly to the ISP router will appear to the Orbi to be 'wired'. (It sees them across the ethernet cable to the ISP router, so that is a 'wire' connection. It has no idea that there is a WiFi component on the ISP router.)
I haven't enabled the two distinct 2.4 and 5ghz SSID mode yet on the ISP router, so it was doing the same as the ORBI using one SSID for both channels. And now as I am reading your next sentence, that is what was happening to me for my IoT devices. Sometimes wifi would be on but there would be no signal and no internet connection, I am assuming that is because of ORBI and ISP Router same SSID clashing together. but for me i thought since the ORBI is AP mode it shouldn't do that. YEAAAAA, I noticed that orbi app started to recgonize devices as wired that were connected to the ISP Router.
Kmandair04 wrote:
I just went to the orbi web interface and went to attached devices and I saw the ip adresses. All devices connected to the orbi have ip adress starting with 192.168.1.(xx)
For my current setup, I have set my ISP fibre gateway to bridge mode to stop lagging on orbi, so when i go to the ISP interface it says 0 devices connected. Do you want me to disable bridge mode and then see what is the IP adress of the devices that connect?
Sorry. I had a brain freeze. When the ISP is in router mode and the Orbi is in AP mode, then the ISP router creates the private network and the Orbi creates nothing.
With the way things are configured now (ISP router in bridge mode and Orbi in router mode), the ISP creates no network and the Orbi creates a private network. That is why the ISP app shows 0 devices connected. I believe also that in bridge mode, the ISP WiFi function is probably disabled (no network = no IP's for WiFi clients). I am amost certain that the ISP phone capabilities will remain active in bridge mode (as they remain with my Spectrum cable modem in bridge mode).
I had (incorrectly) jumped to the conclusion that the ISP was 'router' and the Orbi 'AP' because you wanted to keep the ISP router functions.
Either way, there will be only one router and one local private network.
Sorry. I had a brain freeze. When the ISP is in router mode and the Orbi is in AP mode, then the ISP router creates the private network and the Orbi creates nothing.With the way things are configured now (ISP router in bridge mode and Orbi in router mode), the ISP creates no network and the Orbi creates a private network. That is why the ISP app shows 0 devices connected. I believe also that in bridge mode, the ISP WiFi function is probably disabled (no network = no IP's for WiFi clients). I am amost certain that the ISP phone capabilities will remain active in bridge mode (as they remain with my Spectrum cable modem in bridge mode).
I had (incorrectly) jumped to the conclusion that the ISP was 'router' and the Orbi 'AP' because you wanted to keep the ISP router functions.
Either way, there will be only one router and one local private network.
No worries, but yeah the way I have it configured now is ISP bridge and Orbi Router mode.and you are no wrong either though, so you didn't have a brain freeze. I had the orbi in AP and ISP in router wifi on mode and i started experiening issues but then i changed it to the way i have it now ISP BRIDGE and ORBI ROUTER. ANd yes everything else works like phone and a cable in bridge mode. Also correct that there is no wifi in bridge mode. But my issue is like you said ther can be one router and one local private network. So what I want to do is , have my ISP as the "router" with its own private local network and have ORBI not interfere with it and cause issues, but still need orbi to extend signal throughout the home. Is there any possible way to do that?