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traviesomarco
Nov 12, 2020Guide
I am going to have two gig service lines into my house - can I set up two different orbi's with it?
I am going to have a gig fiber service from ATT installing next week, right now I have gig service from comcast. I have two because distance learning with the kids and working from home has double my...
- Nov 12, 2020
Ok sounds good. Well one idea would be to use 1 Orbi system as the main wifi system for the home. Then for your 2nd line, I would use a single wifi router, nothing big, maybe a NG R series router and turn down the power output of the radios on this wifi router, use far appart channels on 2.4 and 5Ghz from the Orbis channels, Then use this one and other ISP line for your work needs only. No family members allowed online.
Ya, if ATT offers unlimted bandwidth, I would migrate to that maybe at somepoint. However if work is paying for this, then why not. :smileywink:
CrimpOn
Nov 12, 2020Guru - Experienced User
traviesomarco wrote:I am going to have a gig fiber service from ATT installing next week, right now I have gig service from comcast. I have two because distance learning with the kids and working from home has double my use.
So, one can I install two Orbis systems in the same house, two routers (with two different services), and 4 satellites (2 for each router?) all service a 1500 sq home. As I said, it is just about increasing speed for all those zoom meetings and streaming services, as well as total internet capacity.
I agree with FURRYe38 that running two WiFi networks in a 1,500 sq. ft. house is not optimal. With a gig service, I doubt that 'speed' is the issue; it's the data cap.
There have been several posts on the forum describing routers that connect to two ISP's and pool them into one data stream for the Orbi system. (I believe Ubiquiti Edgerouter was mentioned.) The main issue I see is how to allocate bandwidth between devices. Maybe the Edgerouter has a traffic management system that would shut off one ISP when it reaches a threshold.(?)
How about this for a solution: (a) verify whether AT&T has a data cap, and (b) if it has no cap, then physically switch the Orbi over to AT&T and "see how it goes". You should know within a few days whether the AT&T fiber will support the total need. If it does have a cap, you could switch manually about half way through the month. (yuck)
traviesomarco
Nov 12, 2020Guide
CrimpOn wrote:
CrimpOn wrote:
traviesomarco wrote:I am going to have a gig fiber service from ATT installing next week, right now I have gig service from comcast. I have two because distance learning with the kids and working from home has double my use.
So, one can I install two Orbis systems in the same house, two routers (with two different services), and 4 satellites (2 for each router?) all service a 1500 sq home. As I said, it is just about increasing speed for all those zoom meetings and streaming services, as well as total internet capacity.
I agree with FURRYe38 that running two WiFi networks in a 1,500 sq. ft. house is not optimal. With a gig service, I doubt that 'speed' is the issue; it's the data cap.
There have been several posts on the forum describing routers that connect to two ISP's and pool them into one data stream for the Orbi system. (I believe Ubiquiti Edgerouter was mentioned.) The main issue I see is how to allocate bandwidth between devices. Maybe the Edgerouter has a traffic management system that would shut off one ISP when it reaches a threshold.(?)
How about this for a solution: (a) verify whether AT&T has a data cap, and (b) if it has no cap, then physically switch the Orbi over to AT&T and "see how it goes". You should know within a few days whether the AT&T fiber will support the total need. If it does have a cap, you could switch manually about half way through the month. (yuck)
traviesomarco wrote:I am going to have a gig fiber service from ATT installing next week, right now I have gig service from comcast. I have two because distance learning with the kids and working from home has double my use.
So, one can I install two Orbis systems in the same house, two routers (with two different services), and 4 satellites (2 for each router?) all service a 1500 sq home. As I said, it is just about increasing speed for all those zoom meetings and streaming services, as well as total internet capacity.
I agree with FURRYe38 that running two WiFi networks in a 1,500 sq. ft. house is not optimal. With a gig service, I doubt that 'speed' is the issue; it's the data cap.
There have been several posts on the forum describing routers that connect to two ISP's and pool them into one data stream for the Orbi system. (I believe Ubiquiti Edgerouter was mentioned.) The main issue I see is how to allocate bandwidth between devices. Maybe the Edgerouter has a traffic management system that would shut off one ISP when it reaches a threshold.(?)
How about this for a solution: (a) verify whether AT&T has a data cap, and (b) if it has no cap, then physically switch the Orbi over to AT&T and "see how it goes". You should know within a few days whether the AT&T fiber will support the total need. If it does have a cap, you could switch manually about half way through the month. (yuck)
I think you are both correct. I will try the segmentation first and then the switch if it doesn't make a difference or it is messing with having two wifis close to each other. BTW, I am intrigued by the Edgerouter!
I will have to look into this! Thanks, everyone for the advice!
- FURRYe38Nov 12, 2020Guru - Experienced User
Edge router is nice. Kinda complex though.
Good Luck.
- CrimpOnNov 13, 2020Guru - Experienced User
Thinking about the "math". Please bear with me.
First, I have no doubt that serious (work/homeschool) use can consume more than 1TB/month. This is "Issue #1". (The elephant in the room)
My question is, "how likely is it that the 1Gbit service is a serious limitation?"
(Bits and Bytes are a problem here, since 1 byte typically consumes 10 "bits" The link is rated in bits, and the cap is in bytes.)
Let's assume that the account is exceeding 1TByte/month by triple, i.e. 3TBytes/month. That would amount to (3TB/30= 100GBytes/day. There are about 28,800 seconds in an 8 hour day. So, 100GB/28,800 seconds = 3.5Mbytes/second, which translates to 35Mbits/sec.)
I am easily confused, but it seems to me that a gigabit ISP link is easily capable of delivering 35Mbits/sec. If the day is longer than 8 hours, then usage is even lower.
In the original description of the situation, I did not see "performance" being a major issue. Usage (i.e. $$$cost) is the issue.
My conclusion is that one gigabit ISP link is adequate as long as the cost can be controlled.
- traviesomarcoNov 13, 2020Guide
CrimpOn wrote:Thinking about the "math". Please bear with me.
First, I have no doubt that serious (work/homeschool) use can consume more than 1TB/month. This is "Issue #1". (The elephant in the room)
My question is, "how likely is it that the 1Gbit service is a serious limitation?"
(Bits and Bytes are a problem here, since 1 byte typically consumes 10 "bits" The link is rated in bits, and the cap is in bytes.)
Let's assume that the account is exceeding 1TByte/month by triple, i.e. 3TBytes/month. That would amount to (3TB/30= 100GBytes/day. There are about 28,800 seconds in an 8 hour day. So, 100GB/28,800 seconds = 3.5Mbytes/second, which translates to 35Mbits/sec.)
I am easily confused, but it seems to me that a gigabit ISP link is easily capable of delivering 35Mbits/sec. If the day is longer than 8 hours, then usage is even lower.
In the original description of the situation, I did not see "performance" being a major issue. Usage (i.e. $$$cost) is the issue.
My conclusion is that one gigabit ISP link is adequate as long as the cost can be controlled.
Not worried about cost. Work will pay for the second gig connection. :-) I easily go through 2tb of data on my existing 1 gig connection, my bills clearly tell me so! :) just trying to figure out to provide wifi on both gig lines in the same house without major disruption.... and have a few ides from all of you, thanks!