RBK50: Ethernet Backhaul + Multi Gig

I would presume if you ran a 2.5Gb or multi gig cable from the multi gig port on the main host router to a multi gig switch with your 2.5Gb PC connected, this would maintain the 2.5G or multi gig connection speed through out the segment. If you just added the Orbi system to the switch, RBR or RBS at the end point switch, all connections thru the RBR or RBS would be 1Gb only. If you go from the multi gig router to the RBR then to the switch, you not maintain the 2.5Gb speed thru this segment as the speed would be lowered going thru the RBR and RBS. 

A CAT 6 (or CAT 6A or CAT 7 or CAT 8 cable does not magically make a faster or fast lane (a marketing term from crappy wireless extenders) connection. To gain 2.5 Gb/s or 5 Gb/s or 10 Gb/s  throughput, the complete link must support the named Ethernet link speed. A 1 GbE Ethernet plus some "expensive" physical cable alone isn't enough. Amazing on how these dreams seem to remain alive in the net forever. Just because somebody bought some a capable cabling system like the ones we deploy https://www.rdm.com/cat-8-1/ won't make a capable MultiGig net - but it's the essential requirement for installing the latest active Ethernet switching.

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FURRYe38 wrote:

I would presume if you ran a 2.5Gb or multi gig cable from the multi gig port on the main host router to a multi gig switch with your 2.5Gb PC connected, this would maintain the 2.5G or multi gig connection speed through out the segment. 

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Exactly

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FURRYe38 wrote:

 If you just added the Orbi system to the switch, RBR or RBS at the end point switch, all connections thru the RBR or RBS would be 1Gb only. 

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Not the point. I don't use Orbi LAN port but link all Orbi to one switch seem to be mandatory in order to achieve Ethernet Backhaul and with only on Ethernet Cable i have to choose between ISP main router (Multigig) and Orbi (Ethernet Backhaul)

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FURRYe38 wrote:

If you go from the multi gig router to the RBR then to the switch, you not maintain the 2.5Gb speed thru this segment as the speed would be lowered going thru the RBR and RBS. 

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Exactly. I tried asking here to understand if Ethernet Backhaul could work with multiple switch in the middle but the answer seem to be no. The only way to achieve both seem to be a second Ethernet Cat6 cable.

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schumaku wrote:

A CAT 6 (or CAT 6A or CAT 7 or CAT 8 cable does not magically make a faster or fast lane (a marketing term from crappy wireless extenders) connection. To gain 2.5 Gb/s or 5 Gb/s or 10 Gb/s  throughput, the complete link must support the named Ethernet link speed. A 1 GbE Ethernet plus some "expensive" physical cable alone isn't enough. Amazing on how these dreams seem to remain alive in the net forever. Just because somebody bought some a capable cabling system like the ones we deploy https://www.rdm.com/cat-8-1/ won't make a capable MultiGig net - but it's the essential requirement for installing the latest active Ethernet switching.

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Don't know if you are talking to me but never dream about cable itself making a multigig LAN. I'm just trying to find the best way to connect my mac with a 2,5 Gbit "lane" and use my old Orbi in the best mode allowed 

Yes actually Orbi will work with daisy chained switches in the middle. I have 3 currently between my RBR and RBS. I recommend no more than 3 in a chain. 

I recommend using same brand and model non managed switches. CAT6A STP for multi gig switches. CAT6 UTP for 1Gb switches. NG GS-105/108v4 and GS308v3, D-Link DGS-105/108 and HP ProCurve 1400/1800 series switches work for Orbi systems. XS505M and GS110MX work great with the 9 series. 

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FURRYe38 wrote:

Yes actually Orbi will work with daisy chained switches in the middle. I have 3 currently between my RBR and RBS. I recommend no more than 3 in a chain. 

 

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Are you using 3 different switches to link 3 orbi? I was sure that every Orbi must connect to the same switch to achieve Ethernet Backhaul. If I understand well why my Config1 is not a Daisy Chain? ISP router LAN (1 x 10Gbit + 4 x 1Gbit) port doesn't act like a switch?

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FURRYe38 wrote:

I recommend using same brand and model non managed switches. CAT6A STP for multi gig switches. CAT6 UTP for 1Gb switches. NG GS-105/108v4 and GS308v3, D-Link DGS-105/108 and HP ProCurve 1400/1800 series switches work for Orbi systems. XS505M and GS110MX work great with the 9 series. 

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Thx for suggestion I'll keep in mind while buying a new cable... instead talking abouth switches this time I'm going to use my old tested TP-Link TL-SG1008D V5.1 

As long as the head switch IS connected behind the RBR and follow on switches are connected on this same segment chain, the RBR connected at the last switch will sync over ethernet to the RBR correctly. 

My 7 series is currently using a NG GS108, GS308 and a GS105 in this segment with my RBS in the basement connected to the GS-105 there. The NG GS108 being connected behind the RBR. 

Some caveats, Some managed switches or some green ethernet features switches seem to cause problems historically when the RBS are ethernet connected of these switches are deployed. The brands and models I listed are tested and tried across 4 different Orbi model systems including the 50 series. 

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FURRYe38 wrote:

As long as the head switch IS connected behind the RBR and follow on switches are connected on this same segment chain, the RBR connected at the last switch will sync over ethernet to the RBR correctly. 

 

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There is something I'm missing here. The only real difference I can see from my old config and new is that Orbi Router is connected to ISP router and not direct to the Switch. Following your suggestion if I put another Zyxel MG105 I can do the magic? 

Something like that:

ISP Router ---> MG105 nr1* ---> MG105 nr2** --->DGS-1100***

*Zyxel 2,5Gig unmanaged: Orbi Router (AP mode) connected

**Zyxel 2,5Gig unmanaged: Orbi Sat1

***Dlink Managed: Orbi Sat2 connected (it works before with Ethernet Backhaul, I can bypass if needed or replace)

What do you think? It could be ok?

Here updated config, what do you think about? It's going to work for Ethernet Backhaul? 

click to zoom 

Thx for the time you are wasting helping me

if you don't expect this to become kind of a 2.5G wired backhaul it's all fine.

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schumaku wrote:

if you don't expect this to become kind of a 2.5G wired backhaul it's all fine.

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No I'm happy with 1G wired backhaul.

Goals are:

• Keep a 2.5G wired connection from ISP to my Workstation
• Keep a 1G wired backhaul for my RBK50 Orbi System
• Invest less money possible to achieve both of them at same time

The Orbi will remain a 1 GbE device even in AP mode. There is no magic to plug a 2.5G network in some fancy random connection sequence or the like. It does not matter of the aggregated wireless backhaul is involved. 

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schumaku wrote:

The Orbi will remain a 1 GbE device even in AP mode. There is no magic to plug a 2.5G network in some fancy random connection sequence or the like. It does not matter of the aggregated wireless backhaul is involved. 

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But it's ok (for now) 1GB wired backhaul... if I can obtain this I'm going to be happy!

I love the ultra low wifi ping that wired backhaul guarantee and 600Mbit\600Mbit on a mobile device is far enough for my actual needs.

Goal! It works!

Thx everyone helped here

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KiccoLSD wrote:

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I love the ultra low wifi ping that wired backhaul guarantee and 600Mbit\600Mbit on a mobile device is far enough for my actual needs.

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 "ultra low wifi ping that wired backhaul guarantee" What tree are you smoking from? How shall we understand "600Mbit\600Mbit on a mobile device" in comparison of talking on a direct wired symmetrical Gigabit Ethernet? Experimenting on LSD? 

Glad you got it working. Be sure to save off a back up configuration to file for safe keeping. Saves time if a reset is needed.
https://kb.netgear.com/000062080/How-do-I-back-up-the-configuration-settings-on-my-Orbi-WiFi-System
Enjoy. 📡

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KiccoLSD wrote:

Goal! It works!

 

 

 

 

Thx everyone helped here

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schumaku wrote:

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KiccoLSD wrote:

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I love the ultra low wifi ping that wired backhaul guarantee and 600Mbit\600Mbit on a mobile device is far enough for my actual needs.

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 "ultra low wifi ping that wired backhaul guarantee" What tree are you smoking from? How shall we understand "600Mbit\600Mbit on a mobile device" in comparison of talking on a direct wired symmetrical Gigabit Ethernet? Experimenting on LSD? 

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I don't know why are you using such sarcasm and bad way of talk with people: It's not useful nor put you in a better light. For sure my english is not good as needed to explain me in the proper way, so excuse me.

My iPhone 14 Pro with my old ISP (1000\300) and Orbi wired backhaul reach 450\500 Mbit download and 280 Mbit Upload with average ping of 20ms 

My iPhone 14 Pro with my new ISP (10000\2000) and Orbi WIRELESS backhaul reach (more than) 600 Mbit download and (more than) 600 Mbit Upload with average ping of 250ms

For the third time I'm saying A and you answer B. i talk about WiFi ping (with or without wired backhaul) you answer with wired symmetrical ethernet. I ask how to get a 2,5Gbit link PLUS ethernet backhaul (never said 2,5Gbit backhaul) and you answer about magic, cable cat.8. I said I'm happy with 1Gbit backhaul (which gives posted results in mobile devices) and you answer that I'm using LSD... so when I was a mod in a board like this your way of talking with users was called flaming and not tolerated.

Thx in advance for your help

Thanks man! Help is really appreciated.

Glad you got it working. Be sure to save off a back up configuration to file for safe keeping. Saves time if a reset is needed.
https://kb.netgear.com/000062080/How-do-I-back-up-the-configuration-settings-on-my-Orbi-WiFi-System
Enjoy. 📡

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KiccoLSD wrote:

Thanks man! Help is really appreciated.

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FURRYe38 wrote:

Glad you got it working. Be sure to save off a back up configuration to file for safe keeping. Saves time if a reset is needed.
https://kb.netgear.com/000062080/How-do-I-back-up-the-configuration-settings-on-my-Orbi-WiFi-System
Enjoy. 📡

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KiccoLSD wrote:

Thanks man! Help is really appreciated.

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Already done, thanks for the advice.

I want to share another point: After linking Orbi Router - Switch Nr1 - and Switch Nr2  I can revert back to the first config posted removing Switch Nr1 and Orbi keep it's wired backhaul.

Maybe it's because Switch Nr2 acquired Orbi Router Mac address and updated its table? 

Yes and it should persist thru the power cycle as well. Just moved from two switches to one is all. As long as your 2.5Gb is connected to same switch, it should still get 2.5Gb rates as well. 

I can confirm: It persist even after power cycle

Kewl. Enjoy now. 🥂