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kalfaz
Jan 02, 2024Aspirant
RBR50 wifi clients connected without internet - intermittent but frequent enough to cause concern
RBR50 with one RBS50 (wireless backhaul) V2.7.4.24 Environment is 1800 sq ft residential 70s construction pine studs and drywall. ISP is ATT Fiber and RBR is Cat 6 connected to ATT Pace 5268ac. ...
FURRYe38
Jan 03, 2024Guru - Experienced User
30 feet or more is recommended in between RBR📡 and RBS🛰️ to begin with depending upon building materials when wired or wirelessly connected. 25 feet maybe too close...
https://kb.netgear.com/31029/Where-should-I-place-my-Orbi-satellite 🛰️
https://kb.netgear.com/000065169/Which-Orbi-routers-and-satellites-are-compatible
Be sure to disable any MAC Address randomizers on phones and pads while at home:
https://community.netgear.com/t5/Orbi-App/NETGEAR-Mobile-Applications-and-Apple-Devices-FAQ/td-p/2220016/jump-to/first-unread-message
Your ISP Modem already has a built in router and wifi. This would be a double NAT (two router) condition which isn't recommended. https://kb.netgear.com/30186/What-is-Double-NAT
https://kb.netgear.com/30187/How-to-fix-issues-with-Double-NAT
Couple of options,
1. Configure the modem for transparent bridge or modem only mode. Then use the Orbi router in router mode. You'll need to contact the ISP for help and information in regards to the modem being bridged correctly.
2. If you can't bridge the modem, disable ALL wifi radios on the modem, configure the modems DMZ/ExposedHost or IP Pass-Through for the IP address the Orbi router gets from the modem. Then you can use the Orbi router in Router mode.
3. Or disable all wifi radios on the modem and connect the Orbi router to the modem, configure AP mode on the Orbi router. https://kb.netgear.com/31218/How-do-I-configure-my-Orbi-router-to-act-as-an-access-point and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7LOcJ8GdDo&app=desktop
Try option #2 first...
Also might update FW as well. Check here in the forums about new FW.
kalfaz wrote:
RBR50 with one RBS50 (wireless backhaul) V2.7.4.24
Environment is 1800 sq ft residential 70s construction pine studs and drywall.
ISP is ATT Fiber and RBR is Cat 6 connected to ATT Pace 5268ac.
Happens intermittently but seems to happen every couple of days and sometimes it appears to heal itself.
Android clients show exclamation point on wifi strength indicator usually the switch to neighbor's wifi or cellular data so I don't always know it's happened.
When I catch it happening on my phone I see in wifi settings connected without internet. Even though connected the Orbi App doesn't connect so I go to the wired computer and can login to it from there. Sometimes the purple ring is glowing on the RBS50 but not always.
RBS is on same version V2.7.4.24 and it is about 25feet from the RBR.
I saw a previous entry about telnet command to adjust wan_Lease but when I tried to use debug interface, telnet option is not available. Has wan_lease time been changed in software patch or is there a way to test if that is even the problem I'm seeing?
kalfaz
Jan 03, 2024Aspirant
Great points FURRYe38 ,
I should have mentioned the Pace 5268 is already set just as you described in Option 2: IP Passthrough with DMZ+ for years now and that setup has worked well for the Nighthawk I had before I switched to Orbi and this Orbi itself has ran for at least 5 months without giving the connected without internet error to the wifi clients.
I just moved the satellite a few more feet away and it is now about 40 feet away, the article you linked doesn't really specify anything about distance so I'm hoping 40 is the sweet spot. If 25ft is too close how far is too far?
Our house looks a lot like the first pic labelled Midsize single-story home
V2.7.4.24 is most current firmware
I was considering downgrading to try the telnet option to reduce that lease timer but would that really cause an issue that only affects wifi clients, there are 3 computers on wired interfaces that never have a problem it is isolated to the wifi clients.
- FURRYe38Jan 03, 2024Guru - Experienced User
kalfaz wrote:
Great points FURRYe38 ,
I should have mentioned the Pace 5268 is already set just as you described in Option 2: IP Passthrough with DMZ+ for years now and that setup has worked well for the Nighthawk I had before I switched to Orbi and this Orbi itself has ran for at least 5 months without giving the connected without internet error to the wifi clients.
Thank you for confirming the mode.
I just moved the satellite a few more feet away and it is now about 40 feet away, the article you linked doesn't really specify anything about distance so I'm hoping 40 is the sweet spot. If 25ft is too close how far is too far?
Our house looks a lot like the first pic labelled Midsize single-story home
Too far is maybe when the status reports POOR on the RBRs web page for the RBS or a top ring LED turns on PINK. Means signal is not good. OFF means a GOOD signal with the RBS and RBR.
There a size in Sq Feet of this home?
V2.7.4.24 is most current firmware
There is more current FW available, Check here in the forum for information regarding newer FW at the top.
I was considering downgrading to try the telnet option to reduce that lease timer but would that really cause an issue that only affects wifi clients, there are 3 computers on wired interfaces that never have a problem it is isolated to the wifi clients.
- kalfazJan 04, 2024Aspirant
1800 sqft
regarding color of ring I'm nearly certain that I've had the "connected without internet: on the android client and the ring was not glowing.
- FURRYe38Jan 04, 2024Guru - Experienced User
Be sure to disable any MAC Address randomizers on phones and pads while at home:
https://community.netgear.com/t5/Orbi-App/NETGEAR-Mobile-Applications-and-Apple-Devices-FAQ/td-p/2220016/jump-to/first-unread-message