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Update V1.9.1.12 Netgear officially announcing 'Improvement in wireless connection Stability'
Just downloaded the latest release V1.9.1.12 and noticed in the official release notes from Netgear it states as fix 'Continious Improvement in wireless connection stability'..Dosent spefically makre...
i see no real logic in turning aurto update of completly , it just need to be set so its tells you there is an update ready and what time it will be done
far to many ppl ignore firmware updates and then have unsecure routers , security updates should be mandatory
peteytesting wrote:i see no real logic in turning aurto update of completly , it just need to be set so its tells you there is an update ready and what time it will be done
far to many ppl ignore firmware updates and then have unsecure routers , security updates should be mandatory
That's not really the point. The update caused packet loss for me. It feels like lag when loading a web page or playing an online game. I get spurts long enough to drop me from matches in overwatch. It took me a while to figure out the root cause of the issue and as it turns out it is firmware 1.9.1.12. I tried rolling back and the Orbis would just update themselves again. There is no way around this, you cannot disable it. I am ok with running a version of the firmware 1 revision back since it was working. I am currenly trying to block these updates at the router level but it has caused some unexpected behavior.
I'm about to bite the bullet and just install Ubiquiti AP's in this house. I don't want to invest that kind of time and money since the property isn't mine but I may not have a choice if I want reliable connectivity.
sorry but it is the point , we have a whole thread on " i dont want the orbi to self update" but tbh automation is the key to both better software and better security , ppl are generally lazy and wont update when its available as they are to busy killing each other online gaming and the like , even when reminded these ppl wont update
its a case for manufactures of dammed if they do and dammed if they dont
While I appreciate that improving services is the goal, and yes, home users can be "Set it and forget it", but if Orbi was in any of my client environments and I told them that Netgear is forcing ffirmware upgrades that break their network so they can not function, in the name of better software and better security, they would fire me.
Then I am thinking, do you really know how bad it is?
Having some programming experience, and dealing with Microsoft, Cisco, and VMWare upgrade, it isn't difficult to put a "Do not auto update firmware" option in the system. To tell us that they can't or won't do it is simply arrogant and ignorant.
Cafetom wrote:Having some programming experience, and dealing with Microsoft, Cisco, and VMWare upgrade, it isn't difficult to put a "Do not auto update firmware" option in the system. To tell us that they can't or won't do it is simply arrogant and ignorant.
sorry but i see those not wanting auto fw updates as exactly the same way eg arrogant and ignorant. , as logic states that ppl are lazy and wont update unless they are forced
fbraz50 wrote:
peteytesting wrote:i see no real logic in turning aurto update of completly , it just need to be set so its tells you there is an update ready and what time it will be done
far to many ppl ignore firmware updates and then have unsecure routers , security updates should be mandatory
That's not really the point. The update caused packet loss for me. It feels like lag when loading a web page or playing an online game. I get spurts long enough to drop me from matches in overwatch. It took me a while to figure out the root cause of the issue and as it turns out it is firmware 1.9.1.12. I tried rolling back and the Orbis would just update themselves again. There is no way around this, you cannot disable it. I am ok with running a version of the firmware 1 revision back since it was working. I am currenly trying to block these updates at the router level but it has caused some unexpected behavior.
I'm about to bite the bullet and just install Ubiquiti AP's in this house. I don't want to invest that kind of time and money since the property isn't mine but I may not have a choice if I want reliable connectivity.
Running 1.9.1.12 here in AP mode, with a nVidia Shield TV Pro hooked up via Ethernet to my satellite upstairs, running mtr against it from a hardwired Linux server in the wiring closet for over 48 hours (presumably long enough for the firmware check to fire at least once). 0 packet drops, 3.3ms average (over 5GHz backhaul), 12.2ms worst-case. If update checks were as disruptive as you claim, this simply would not have been possible.
I'm not questioning that you're having issues, but I strongly question your determination of root cause. Unless I got Magical Unicorn(TM) Orbis, what you describe did not happen, at least not for the reasons you believe.
Rodney
I still wonder if its a bad device on their network or ipv6 issues.
I know with Uverse troubleshooting with a nighthawk. I turned off ipv6 on the uverse gatway. Powered off the receivers. And then powered off the gateway and restarted and everything was stable. Then I decided I wanted better connection to my backyard and detached garage. With the orbis running in router mode bridged through uverse fiber and this update on the orbis. Everything is all good. No packet loss. No dropped ipad pro, iphone 7 plus, Samsung Galaxy s8, Google Pixel, 9 echo dots, etc.
Going on 2 weeks without an issue. Just added in a new LG OLED and a new 4k bluray player as well yesterday.
rhester72 wrote:fbraz50 wrote:
peteytesting wrote:i see no real logic in turning aurto update of completly , it just need to be set so its tells you there is an update ready and what time it will be done
far to many ppl ignore firmware updates and then have unsecure routers , security updates should be mandatory
That's not really the point. The update caused packet loss for me. It feels like lag when loading a web page or playing an online game. I get spurts long enough to drop me from matches in overwatch. It took me a while to figure out the root cause of the issue and as it turns out it is firmware 1.9.1.12. I tried rolling back and the Orbis would just update themselves again. There is no way around this, you cannot disable it. I am ok with running a version of the firmware 1 revision back since it was working. I am currenly trying to block these updates at the router level but it has caused some unexpected behavior.
I'm about to bite the bullet and just install Ubiquiti AP's in this house. I don't want to invest that kind of time and money since the property isn't mine but I may not have a choice if I want reliable connectivity.
Running 1.9.1.12 here in AP mode, with a nVidia Shield TV Pro hooked up via Ethernet to my satellite upstairs, running mtr against it from a hardwired Linux server in the wiring closet for over 48 hours (presumably long enough for the firmware check to fire at least once). 0 packet drops, 3.3ms average (over 5GHz backhaul), 12.2ms worst-case. If update checks were as disruptive as you claim, this simply would not have been possible.
I'm not questioning that you're having issues, but I strongly question your determination of root cause. Unless I got Magical Unicorn(TM) Orbis, what you describe did not happen, at least not for the reasons you believe.
Rodney
I get what you're saying Rodney and I understand. You don't have an issue so it doesn't exist for you. It's all in what the individual experiences. As mentioned time and time again in this thread and others. This firmware release has been a mixed bag. For some people it solves all their problems and for others, like myself, it has caused problems. I would simply like the option to disable auto updates for myself. Make it a manual process to disable them so the average user doesn't do it. Just give me the option to do so because 1.8.0.6 version of the firmware is 100% stable for me. My Orbi setup is useless with this new firmware.
It is fair to question my conclusion since you didn't see the work done. Link to post 48 where I show my work. Whenever my Orbi units go up to the new 1.9 firmware they start having packet loss issues. Drop them down to 1.8 and leave them alone and they stop dropping. It's like clockwork 15-25 minutes and boom several seconds of packet loss on version 1.9.1.12. I have, however, hit a different problem. Since I am actively blocking their update at the firewall level. Whenever I'm on the Orbi web management portal. I get small spurts of packet loss when the units try to check for updates or load the main dashboard. I can live with that for now since the rest of the time they are 100% stable.
Ts937km No IPv6 on my end. My EdgeLite Router is configured in IPv4 only. I can switch to IPv6 for my Internet conneciton but that is disabled right now.
Part of my confusion is the similarity of our setups - I'm on FiOS, front-ended by an EdgeRouter and using Orbi in AP mode, and I can't _make_ mine fail, even when I've deliberately tried. There has to be something else going on here. I agree there appear to be two camps, those who never have problems and those who often do, but assuming the hardware is indeed 100% identical, there's some other variable (outside of the firmware revision) we're all missing.
Rodney