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djaesthetic
Dec 31, 2020Tutor
GS108Ev3 firmware update triggering Orbi subnet reconfiguration
Last night I added two Netgear GS108Ev3 switches to my network, sitting behind a Netgear Orbi RBR50. I have it configured and working perfectly with the exception of one (extremely problematic) anoma...
- Jan 01, 2021
For anyone else who stumbles upon this thread -- reposting my solution (from the Orbi side) here as well.
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CrimpOn : Did some final testing and now confident in the conclusion.
What triggers the "reconfiguration" behavior appears to be whenever Orbi detects any other network device on the other side of it's Internet (WAN) port sharing the same subnet. It doesn't matter if there's an actual conflict or not -- simply it's existence. From a consumer support standpoint this is actually a pretty clever mechanism (though I wish they'd give us the option to disable it for various use cases).In my *personal* case - the issue was that I'd put the ports in their respective VLANs (10 for WAN, 20 for LAN) but left VLAN 1 in place. Regular (untagged) traffic was working just fine. My guess is that during a firmware update on those GS108Ev3 switches, it was sending out a broadcast across all configured VLANs, Orbi was seeing that broadcast on the Internet port, hence reconfiguration is triggered. I removed VLAN 1 from all ports and haven't been able to replicate the problem since.
As for your question about the use case for the two switches? This as a method to extend out multiple networks over a single cable. My current configuration looks like this:
VLAN 10 = WAN Traffic
VLAN 20 = LAN Traffic
-----BASEMENT
GS108Ev3 - Port 1: VLAN 10 Tagged, VLAN 20 Tagged
GS108Ev3 - Port 2: VLAN 10 Untagged
GS108Ev3 - Port 3-8: VLAN 20 UntaggedAT&T Gateway LAN plugged in to GS108Ev3 Port 2
UPSTAIRS OFFICE
GS108Ev3 - Port 1: VLAN 10 Tagged, VLAN 20 Tagged
GS108Ev3 - Port 2: VLAN 10 Untagged
GS108Ev3 - Port 3-8: VLAN 20 Untagged
Orbi Internet Port plugged in to GS108Ev3 Port 2
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Port 1 is the single physical cable running between the two switches. It will pass all traffic for either VLAN (LAN or WAN side) without either seeing one another as the traffic is "encapsulated" (isolated from each other). Port 2 on each side is where you plug in the WAN side of things. In the basement I have several runs from around the house plugged in to ports 3-8 (LAN). In the Office, I also have a bunch of devices plugged in to 3-8 (LAN). Two separate floors but they'll all end up in the LAN side.The notion that someone shouldn't be using managed switches in a network topology is a silly one, assuming the configuration is correct. In my particular case (and the fix to the original problem I posted about) turns out to simply be "don't let Orbi's Internet port see any traffic with a subnet that matches it's LAN side". Simple enough, makes a lot of sense. Once I understood what was triggering the reconfigurating, finding the root cause was simple.
(Extra thanks to schumaku for the sentence that led to the conclusion -- "Somehow the Orbi system does see any 192.168.x.x network on it's WAN/Internet port.")
schumaku
Dec 31, 2020Guru - Experienced User
Simple: Somehow the Orbi system does see any 192.168.x.x network on it's WAN/Internet port. This is what makes Orbi or any newer Netgear router to play smart-a** triggering a change of the LAN subnet to the alternate default of 10.0.0.0/24
Leaving away this disliked feature - there are several details missing in your post. First, you have configured some VLANs and VLAN port configs. Completely unclear what the purpose is, and how the ports are really configued, and what you intend to do with these VLANs.
Matter of fact, the consumer Orbi (as well as the initial Orbi Pro) have no support for VLANs, the backhaul on an Orbi system is run plain flat and untagged.
Before, ensure you update the boot loader of these two switches - ideally while connected direct to a computer, ideally using the default 192.168.0.239/24 address and a computer interface from that same subnet, like 192.168.0.123, and update one by one.
Once done, show us a plan/design what you intend to do with these VLANs, how you intend to configure the ports, and what is connected on each port. Oh and don't forget what I showed above ref. Orni and VLANs.
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