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GreenBadger
Mar 18, 2019Follower
How do I remove this garbage from my router?
Updated to the latest Orbi firmware and enabled the trial of armour.
Today the router is blocking my access to legitimate websites falsly claiming they are phishing sites.
I canot see any...
utr9iuy
Apr 04, 2019Tutor
THEY WANTED ME TO PAY TO GET THIS SH*T OFF MY ORBI. **bleep** YOU NETGEAR
guyplace
Jun 13, 2019Star
So Netgear Armour is ransomware!
- WCaseyJun 24, 2019Initiate
There doesn't appear to be a consensous on how to restore settings pre-Armor trial (even a factory reset may not work).
AND it appears NetGear wants at least $80 to provide support to uninstall the firmware it encouraged be installed on a trial basis. I'm an attorney and this is classic fraudulent inducement, which voids any warranty disclaimers and can result in punitive damages, even in arbitration. I'm ripping this piece of #$** off of my network, and then will file suit in a small claims court. May not win but they will spend more defending this than the $80 they are attempting to extort. Lesson learned. Used to be a pretty good company (although support was always suspect) from what i can tell.
- Orbi-RocJun 24, 2019Luminary
Hi WCasey. You will never get the Orbi software pre-Armor since Armor is now an integral part of the Orbi firmware.
To the best of my knowledge, the only way to disable Armor is with the app. I've seen a post or two where doing so apparently didn't work but a factory reset did. At my end, I have disabled and re-ensabled Armor many times during my 90-day trial (still have a month to go); and when disabled, Armor is no longer funcional. Netgear Armor Portal can still be accessed, but alerts eventually stop after 24 hours or so.
For me, Armor as a standalone app on the router works great, but only after disabling daisy-chain topology. With daisy-chain enabled, I was experiencing chronic internet drops and jitter on 4K video streaming.
Enabling Bitdefender Total Security on Windows PC and MacBooks also caused all kinds of problems, some of which were similar to what you experienced, loosing access to the App Store for one.
So for now, I am back running Armor as a stand-alone app, with Bitdefender Total Security activated on one device only (iPod Touch). So far, everything is running smoothly.
I doubt that the foregoing will be of much comfort to you, but thought to share my experience with you and other readers. As to whether or not I will transition to a paid subscription at the end of the trial period, the verdict is still out. If the performance I've been getting over the last three or four days holds for the next 30 days, I might. I hope that by then, Netgear/Bitdefender will have smoothed out the process.
Good luck!
- WCaseyJun 26, 2019InitiateThank you for taking the time to try to explain. I’m not a techie and don’t know how to disable Armor (except on the mobile app which doesn’t seem to do anything). It sounds like I need to do a full re-install and since I hired a tech to install I may have to pay again. Really the worst product roll out and (no) support I have ever seen.
- msc2870Jul 06, 2020Initiate
This automatic installation and activation of Armor and BitDefender Cybersecurity should be illegal, if it isn't already. It has caused me numerous headaches (e.g., slow to no internet connectivity, inability to access important websites, strange email behavior, router lock-up), and there is essentially no phone support at all. When my call was finally answered after a 25 minute wait, the support person was unable to answer my questions, and told me Netgear was having equipment problems on THEIR end! He suggested I call back at a later time even though I told him I needed help with an issue right then that was keeping me from performing a critical work-related task. So, I went on my own through a process of resetting the router and dis-enabling Armor in the settings. That helped somewhat, but there are still problems with throughput that I suspect has to do with BitDefender Cybersecurity. I have never owned a truly decent Netgear product. This will be my last purchase. I wish this thing had failed altogether, like my last Netgear router. It would make it easier to throw out.
- Christian_RJul 09, 2020NETGEAR Employee Retired
Hi msc2870,
You may disable Armor using the Nighthawk or Orbi app.
Christian
- mikew1368Aug 09, 2021Guide
Somehow my Nighthawk phone app installed some bitfender Armor security software on my router. It shows up as "enabled" when I log into my router directly from my computer, but there is no was to disable/remove it.
It says it's a 30 day trial. I don't want it, and I never wanted it.
i removed the Nighthawk app from my phone, but do I really need to do a factory reset to get rid of this Armor software completely?
What a sleazy company!
- boomboombangAug 09, 2021TutorPlease see my comments on my own solution (message 64)
- MosenDec 12, 2021Tutor
Netgear is ransomwre in general, not just Armor. After two years, their SSL certificate was expired and when I tried talking to them or sending an email, I realized that I need to pay them to get their contact number! And they won't answer questions unless I pay a subscription! That's outright hostage taking!
- ErnestTheGreatDec 14, 2021NETGEAR Employee Retired
If you look at the warranty information that comes with your product the Netgear devices come with standard 90-day free phone support. If you wait more than 90 days after you got your product and call support after that they will pitch you a support contract. If you don't want that then you can use other support options, email, community, or KB articles. So it's not ransomware if you are told the warranty and support terms upfront. Also, the hardware warranty is different from the phone support so it should not be confused.
As far as Armor goes you can fully disable it using the app by going to Settings/Security and toggling Enable NETGEAR Armor. If the option does not work as you mentioned make sure you are using the latest app version and FW version. Sometimes depending on what's going on with the connection the API communication between app and router could be the reason why you have some issues as described. You can clear the app cache if on android to help with some of these issues. Otherwise, you can report the problem in-app by shaking your device and submitting an instabug log to the app support team.
- MosenJan 08, 2022Tutor
Thanks for the reply, and sorry it took me a while to get back to you.I definitly think this is the definition of ransomeware:
- A ransome attack is to break your system in some way and ask for money to fix it
- A netgear router might start to mulfunction at anytime because Netgear changed something, and you have to pay them to even ask what's wrong!
Maybe I am just asking for too much, but I would appreciate if they provide some way I could at least contact them!!!!! To do so, you have to "open a support case first". If your support is over, you can't open a case. If you can't open a case, they simply refuse to answer! At least the ransome guys have the dicency to contact you and let you know what they are doing.
I know, I know, I know, they have it in their "T&Cs". But I am not running a business. I bought a device for my home. If I buy a toaster, I don't read T&Cs! if someone tells me "your toaster stopped working because our CEO changed their surname, we want money to provide you support with that, and it is written in the T&Cs", I call BS. My router is giving me an SSL error and it is a known issue rooting in what they have done "after" they sold me the product. They can't just break the prodct they sold and then ask for money to fix it! This is outright ransome.
By the way, I got rid of the Armor c...p and got my money back due to multiple issue. I still have the SSL error popping up from time to time. I also have to go half way through defining a static address everytime I want to see the full list of my attached devices because "Attached Devices" button doesn't shows all items. This is also another example of a known, worldwide issue that roots in their software update and they refuse to answer since I haven't paid up.
I am researching to find a proper, legitimade system to replace the d.. thing and will soon toss it in the bin. They just go around and break stuff and expect me to pay. No way.