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MK63-100NAS
In reviewing the user manual for the MK63-100NAS (well actually it downloads the manual for the MK62_UM_EN) I see that it says: On your computer or WiFi device, find and select the WiFi network. ...
> In reviewing the user manual [...] I see that it says:
> On your computer or WiFi device, find and select the WiFi network.
> The WiFi network name is on the router label..
>
> Can you really not choose your own Network Name (SSID)?
Of course you can, but that part of the manual is explaining how to
make the initial connection to the router, before you'd have had the
opportunity to change its SSID (or anything else).
> I guess you must use this password perhaps the first time you create
> the network, but it is hard to imageing you will be stuck forever using
> that password.
Just as with the SSID.
> It sounds like in the manual that you also have to use the DHCP
> assigned to your devices in the range of 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.254 if
> the ISP Cable Modem
> device is going to use 192.168.0.1 as your "Router Address"?
If your (unspecified) "the ISP Cable Modem device" is using any such
IP addresses, then it would seem to be a modem+router, rather than a
simple modem. As usual, information like a maker and model number would
be more helpful than a vague/sloppy (non-)description like "the ISP
Cable Modem device".
If you connect the WAN/Internet port of a Netgear router to the LAN
of some other (modem+)router, then the Netgear router will adjust its
own LAN address subnet to avoid a conflict. "10.0.0.*" is its usual
alternate subnet.
If the outer router uses the same LAN subnet as the MK63 default
("192.168.1.*"), then I'd expect the MK63 to use its usual alternate
subnet ("10.0.0.*") instead of its default. It might not be required,
but I can imagine that the MK63 might also use its alternate subnet if
the outer router used the "192.168.0.*" subnet. (Which is how I read
what you're saying.)
> My current connection [...]
Of what to what, exactly?
> [...] displays the IP Address of my router as 192.168.0.1 [...]
_Which_ "my router"?
> [...] and my physical router IP Address as 192.168.0.2 [...]
I don't know what that means. A router like this normally has two IP
addreses: one for its WAN/Internet interface, and one for its LAN
interface.
> [...] and my LAN IP address [...]
"my"? _You_, personally, have a LAN IP address, or is that the IP
address of some device on your LAN? When that device is connected to
what?
> [...] as 10.0.1.1 and assigns device addresses in the 10.x.x.x range.
As I said before, I'd expect "10.0.0.*".
Why, exactly, are you connecting the MK63 to your (unspecified) "the
ISP Cable Modem device"? Cascading multiple routers can cause multiple
problems (some of which are related to the multiple subnets which are
involved).
If you want some special router features which the MK63 has but your
(unspecified) "the ISP Cable Modem device" lacks, then you might want to
configure your (unspecified) "the ISP Cable Modem device" as a
modem-only ("bridge" mode), and use the MK63 as your only router.
If you want to use the MK63 to extend the wireless-network range of
your (unspecified) "the ISP Cable Modem device", then you might want to
configure the MK63 as a wireless access point. In that case, look in
the User Manual for "Set up the router as a WiFi access point".
antinode wrote:> In reviewing the user manual [...] I see that it says:
> On your computer or WiFi device, find and select the WiFi network.
> The WiFi network name is on the router label..
>
> Can you really not choose your own Network Name (SSID)?Of course you can, but that part of the manual is explaining how to
make the initial connection to the router, before you'd have had the
opportunity to change its SSID (or anything else).> I guess you must use this password perhaps the first time you create
> the network, but it is hard to imageing you will be stuck forever using
> that password.Just as with the SSID.
> It sounds like in the manual that you also have to use the DHCP
> assigned to your devices in the range of 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.254 if
> the ISP Cable Modem
> device is going to use 192.168.0.1 as your "Router Address"?If your (unspecified) "the ISP Cable Modem device" is using any such
IP addresses, then it would seem to be a modem+router, rather than a
simple modem. As usual, information like a maker and model number would
be more helpful than a vague/sloppy (non-)description like "the ISP
Cable Modem device".If you connect the WAN/Internet port of a Netgear router to the LAN
of some other (modem+)router, then the Netgear router will adjust its
own LAN address subnet to avoid a conflict. "10.0.0.*" is its usual
alternate subnet.
If the outer router uses the same LAN subnet as the MK63 default
("192.168.1.*"), then I'd expect the MK63 to use its usual alternate
subnet ("10.0.0.*") instead of its default. It might not be required,
but I can imagine that the MK63 might also use its alternate subnet if
the outer router used the "192.168.0.*" subnet. (Which is how I read
what you're saying.)> My current connection [...]
Of what to what, exactly?
> [...] displays the IP Address of my router as 192.168.0.1 [...]
_Which_ "my router"?
> [...] and my physical router IP Address as 192.168.0.2 [...]
I don't know what that means. A router like this normally has two IP
addreses: one for its WAN/Internet interface, and one for its LAN
interface.
> [...] and my LAN IP address [...]"my"? _You_, personally, have a LAN IP address, or is that the IP
address of some device on your LAN? When that device is connected to
what?> [...] as 10.0.1.1 and assigns device addresses in the 10.x.x.x range.
As I said before, I'd expect "10.0.0.*".
Why, exactly, are you connecting the MK63 to your (unspecified) "the
ISP Cable Modem device"? Cascading multiple routers can cause multiple
problems (some of which are related to the multiple subnets which are
involved).If you want some special router features which the MK63 has but your
(unspecified) "the ISP Cable Modem device" lacks, then you might want to
configure your (unspecified) "the ISP Cable Modem device" as a
modem-only ("bridge" mode), and use the MK63 as your only router.
If you want to use the MK63 to extend the wireless-network range of
your (unspecified) "the ISP Cable Modem device", then you might want to
configure the MK63 as a wireless access point. In that case, look in
the User Manual for "Set up the router as a WiFi access point".Thank you for your reply antinode, and for your reassurance that I will be able to change he SSID name as well as the password after logging in the first time. The only reason I brought that up is some user here on one of these topics had complained about his network name always reverting back to the default name.
Anyway as far as my other questions, my previously unspecified) "... ISP Cable Modem device" turns out to be an ARRIS TG16272G which indeed is a modem+router combo.
The technician who I spoke with last night about this claimed that when I had asked them to deactivate it's WiFi component, they had put it into "Bridge Mode". At the time I got this device from them years ago, I believe there was no choice of obtaining a device that was strictly a cable modem, but he said there is now such a choice and I will avail of this choice to get a modem only device with my upcoming new service.
I had made two files to attach to this message to clarify the situation, but it appears that I can only attach one file, so I'll have to attach the other one later.
The "Spectrum Internet Connection"file attached shows the Internet "Connected" with a "Router IP address" of 192.168.0.1 and two DNS servers supplied by Spectrum.
Interestingly when the internet was out of service for 8 hours or so the other day, when it came back (I should have taken a screenshot but didn't) I believe it showed Internet Connected and the "Router IP address" showed 10.0.1.1 with the DNS server showing some long IPV6 address, but the internet connecting was functioning perfectly.
At that time when I would attempt to access the details of my Time Capsule/Router I would get a dialog box that this device used to be part of my network but isn't anymore and invited me to forget it, which I ignored.
Usually in normal operation my Time Capsulte/Router shows an IP Address of 192.168.0.2, a Lan IP Address of 10.0.1.1 and dispenses IP addresses in the 10.0.1.2 to 10.0.1.200 whille running in the DHCP + NAT mode.
It does display a green dot with a "Double Nat" but I have always run it that way with zero problems in spite of Double Nat(s) supposedly being problematic.
I believe one of your thoughts was if I was saying I had a personal Static IP Address ... I don't.
So now that I was told last night that Spectrum does now offer Modem Only devices, I will plan on getting one of those to connect the MK63 to. When I asked the Spectrum technician last night if I could choose which Modem device I wanted, he wanted to ask me if I knew a specific device name, and I will follow up on that today but last time I asked them for a list of available devices the one link to devices they gave me was obsolete.
But in general would you think that if I get a Modem Only device I could choose whichever addressing scheme I prefer, whether it be 192.168.*.* or 10.0.*.*?
And then, should I be able to successfully connect my Apple Time Capsule/Router to one of the satellites of the MK63 (in some mode ... access point or bridge mode) with an ethernet cable to access the internet and make continuous backups of my MacBook Pro?
I don't care if the Tme Capsule would have a different SSID than the rest of the network since I wouldn't be moving my computer around the house anyway, and this would be just a temporary solution until I get a different NAS that would work with Time Capsule such as a Western Digital My Cloud Duo 4 TB 2-Bay Personal Cloud, which I presume I could connect directly to the Satellite of the MK63 and it would become part of the NetGear network.
Here is the second attachment that should accompany my previous reply
> [...] some user here on one of these topics [...]
Thanks for the helpful link.
> [...] had complained about his network name always reverting back to
> the default name.Bugs (hardware and firmware) in Netgear routers have been reported
here more than once. (My me, among others.)> It does display a green dot with a "Double Nat" but I have always run
> it that way with zero problems in spite of Double Nat(s) supposedly
> being problematic.Double NAT is never good, but whether it causes problems for you
would depend on what you do. But, beyond double NAT, cascading multiple
routers generates all those different LAN subnets, which cause other
problems.
> But in general would you think that if I get a Modem Only device I
> could choose whichever addressing scheme I prefer, whether it be
> 192.168.*.* or 10.0.*.*?What you want is one router. Any other router-like devices should be
configured as wireless access points. That will put all your devices on
one big LAN subnet. No double NAT, no multiple subnets.Either a TG1672G in modem-only ("bridge") mode, or a simple modem can
be used with an MK63 (in router mode) as your one router. When that's
done, you can specify any (reasonable) LAN IP address scheme which you
might like. "192.168.1.*" would be its default.An Airport Time Capsule can be configured as a router or, I believe,
as a wireless access point. When it's connected to some other router
(like, say, a TG1672G in modem+router/gateway mode), WAP mode would be
simpler (one subnet, no double NAT). You don't seem to have done that
(Time Capsule Router Data.pdf).
The same would be true when connecting the Airport Time Capsule to
any other router, like, say, an MK63 (in router mode).> And then, should I be able to successfully connect my Apple Time
> Capsule/Router to one of the satellites of the MK63 (in some mode ...
> access point or bridge mode) with an ethernet cable to access the
> internet and make continuous backups of my MacBook Pro?If the Time Capsule is configured as a WAP, then you should be able
to connect it anyplace in your LAN, and it should be accessible from
anyplace else in your LAN.You could also use the router in a TG1672G as your one router, and
configure the MK63 as a WAP. As usual, many things are possible. But
avoiding multiple routers is generally the basis of a good plan.> I don't care if the Tme Capsule would have a different SSID than the
> rest of the network [...]Wireless SSIDs are generally independent of everything else.
> [...] such as a Western Digital My Cloud Duo 4 TB 2-Bay Personal
> Cloud, which I presume I could connect directly to the Satellite of the
> MK63 and it would become part of the NetGear network.So long as you have one router (hence, one big LAN), you should be
able to connect any such storage appliance anyplace in that LAN.
antinode wrote:> [...] some user here on one of these topics [...]
Thanks for the helpful link.
> [...] had complained about his network name always reverting back to
> the default name.I'm sorry I didn't record the link, but after frutilessly trying to find it again for 30 minutes just now, I'll just attach the screenshot that the original poster supplied. His 2.4 Ghz network continued to be named Rivers-TWC and his 5G network continued to reset itslelf to the name NETGEAR-5G which I suppose is the default.
Bugs (hardware and firmware) in Netgear routers have been reported
here more than once. (My me, among others.)> It does display a green dot with a "Double Nat" but I have always run
> it that way with zero problems in spite of Double Nat(s) supposedly
> being problematic.Double NAT is never good, but whether it causes problems for you
would depend on what you do. But, beyond double NAT, cascading multiple
routers generates all those different LAN subnets, which cause other
problems.
> But in general would you think that if I get a Modem Only device I
> could choose whichever addressing scheme I prefer, whether it be
> 192.168.*.* or 10.0.*.*?What you want is one router. Any other router-like devices should be
configured as wireless access points. That will put all your devices on
one big LAN subnet. No double NAT, no multiple subnets.Either a TG1672G in modem-only ("bridge") mode, or a simple modem can
be used with an MK63 (in router mode) as your one router. When that's
done, you can specify any (reasonable) LAN IP address scheme which you
might like. "192.168.1.*" would be its default.I want to only have one router... and I WILL have only one router - the MK63 in my upcoming new instalation, but when I got this TG1672G several years ago, there either did not exist modem only cable modems or they weren't available from Oceanic Cable (now purchased by and doing business as Spectrum). I spoke to them (againi) about obtaining a modem only device today since they now say they offer them for my upcomoming new installation.
They were pretty clueless as usual but they did finally say they have an Arris CM8200, as well as a Ubee - Model labeled as "Techicolor" and a Hiron - Model En2251.
I've never heard of Hiron but the technician seemed to like that kind. Do you have any familiarity or opinions about these models?
An Airport Time Capsule can be configured as a router or, I believe,
as a wireless access point. When it's connected to some other router
(like, say, a TG1672G in modem+router/gateway mode), WAP mode would be
simpler (one subnet, no double NAT). You don't seem to have done that
(Time Capsule Router Data.pdf).
The same would be true when connecting the Airport Time Capsule to
any other router, like, say, an MK63 (in router mode).> And then, should I be able to successfully connect my Apple Time
> Capsule/Router to one of the satellites of the MK63 (in some mode ...
> access point or bridge mode) with an ethernet cable to access the
> internet and make continuous backups of my MacBook Pro?If the Time Capsule is configured as a WAP, then you should be able
to connect it anyplace in your LAN, and it should be accessible from
anyplace else in your LAN.You could also use the router in a TG1672G as your one router, and
configure the MK63 as a WAP. As usual, many things are possible. But
avoiding multiple routers is generally the basis of a good plan.> I don't care if the Tme Capsule would have a different SSID than the
> rest of the network [...]Wireless SSIDs are generally independent of everything else.
> [...] such as a Western Digital My Cloud Duo 4 TB 2-Bay Personal
> Cloud, which I presume I could connect directly to the Satellite of the
> MK63 and it would become part of the NetGear network.So long as you have one router (hence, one big LAN), you should be
able to connect any such storage appliance anyplace in that LAN.Thanks for your helpful comments. I WILL have one modem only device in my upcoming installation and one router, the MK63. What I am hoping to do is to configure the MK63 to use the IP range of "10.0.1.*" rather then the apparent default of "192.168.1.*" Would you expect that when I set up the MK63 I would an opportunity to make this choice.
Then, based on your suggestions I would set the Time Capsule to AP Mode and connect it to one of the satellites and connect a Vonage device with an RJ45 cable to either the main router of the MK63, or to Time Capsule as it is now.