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Biyahero
Feb 13, 2021Apprentice
MK63-100NAS
In reviewing the user manual for the MK63-100NAS (well actually it downloads the manual for the MK62_UM_EN) I see that it says: On your computer or WiFi device, find and select the WiFi network. ...
antinode
Feb 14, 2021Guru
> [...] some user here on one of these topics [...]
Thanks for the helpful link.
> [...] had complained about his network name always reverting back to
> the default name.
Bugs (hardware and firmware) in Netgear routers have been reported
here more than once. (My me, among others.)
> It does display a green dot with a "Double Nat" but I have always run
> it that way with zero problems in spite of Double Nat(s) supposedly
> being problematic.
Double NAT is never good, but whether it causes problems for you
would depend on what you do. But, beyond double NAT, cascading multiple
routers generates all those different LAN subnets, which cause other
problems.
> But in general would you think that if I get a Modem Only device I
> could choose whichever addressing scheme I prefer, whether it be
> 192.168.*.* or 10.0.*.*?
What you want is one router. Any other router-like devices should be
configured as wireless access points. That will put all your devices on
one big LAN subnet. No double NAT, no multiple subnets.
Either a TG1672G in modem-only ("bridge") mode, or a simple modem can
be used with an MK63 (in router mode) as your one router. When that's
done, you can specify any (reasonable) LAN IP address scheme which you
might like. "192.168.1.*" would be its default.
An Airport Time Capsule can be configured as a router or, I believe,
as a wireless access point. When it's connected to some other router
(like, say, a TG1672G in modem+router/gateway mode), WAP mode would be
simpler (one subnet, no double NAT). You don't seem to have done that
(Time Capsule Router Data.pdf).
The same would be true when connecting the Airport Time Capsule to
any other router, like, say, an MK63 (in router mode).
> And then, should I be able to successfully connect my Apple Time
> Capsule/Router to one of the satellites of the MK63 (in some mode ...
> access point or bridge mode) with an ethernet cable to access the
> internet and make continuous backups of my MacBook Pro?
If the Time Capsule is configured as a WAP, then you should be able
to connect it anyplace in your LAN, and it should be accessible from
anyplace else in your LAN.
You could also use the router in a TG1672G as your one router, and
configure the MK63 as a WAP. As usual, many things are possible. But
avoiding multiple routers is generally the basis of a good plan.
> I don't care if the Tme Capsule would have a different SSID than the
> rest of the network [...]
Wireless SSIDs are generally independent of everything else.
> [...] such as a Western Digital My Cloud Duo 4 TB 2-Bay Personal
> Cloud, which I presume I could connect directly to the Satellite of the
> MK63 and it would become part of the NetGear network.
So long as you have one router (hence, one big LAN), you should be
able to connect any such storage appliance anyplace in that LAN.
Biyahero
Feb 14, 2021Apprentice
antinode wrote:> [...] some user here on one of these topics [...]
Thanks for the helpful link.
> [...] had complained about his network name always reverting back to
> the default name.
I'm sorry I didn't record the link, but after frutilessly trying to find it again for 30 minutes just now, I'll just attach the screenshot that the original poster supplied. His 2.4 Ghz network continued to be named Rivers-TWC and his 5G network continued to reset itslelf to the name NETGEAR-5G which I suppose is the default.
Bugs (hardware and firmware) in Netgear routers have been reported
here more than once. (My me, among others.)
> It does display a green dot with a "Double Nat" but I have always run
> it that way with zero problems in spite of Double Nat(s) supposedly
> being problematic.
Double NAT is never good, but whether it causes problems for you
would depend on what you do. But, beyond double NAT, cascading multiple
routers generates all those different LAN subnets, which cause other
problems.
> But in general would you think that if I get a Modem Only device I
> could choose whichever addressing scheme I prefer, whether it be
> 192.168.*.* or 10.0.*.*?
What you want is one router. Any other router-like devices should be
configured as wireless access points. That will put all your devices on
one big LAN subnet. No double NAT, no multiple subnets.
Either a TG1672G in modem-only ("bridge") mode, or a simple modem can
be used with an MK63 (in router mode) as your one router. When that's
done, you can specify any (reasonable) LAN IP address scheme which you
might like. "192.168.1.*" would be its default.
I want to only have one router... and I WILL have only one router - the MK63 in my upcoming new instalation, but when I got this TG1672G several years ago, there either did not exist modem only cable modems or they weren't available from Oceanic Cable (now purchased by and doing business as Spectrum). I spoke to them (againi) about obtaining a modem only device today since they now say they offer them for my upcomoming new installation.
They were pretty clueless as usual but they did finally say they have an Arris CM8200, as well as a Ubee - Model labeled as "Techicolor" and a Hiron - Model En2251.
I've never heard of Hiron but the technician seemed to like that kind. Do you have any familiarity or opinions about these models?
An Airport Time Capsule can be configured as a router or, I believe,
as a wireless access point. When it's connected to some other router
(like, say, a TG1672G in modem+router/gateway mode), WAP mode would be
simpler (one subnet, no double NAT). You don't seem to have done that
(Time Capsule Router Data.pdf).
The same would be true when connecting the Airport Time Capsule to
any other router, like, say, an MK63 (in router mode).
> And then, should I be able to successfully connect my Apple Time
> Capsule/Router to one of the satellites of the MK63 (in some mode ...
> access point or bridge mode) with an ethernet cable to access the
> internet and make continuous backups of my MacBook Pro?
If the Time Capsule is configured as a WAP, then you should be able
to connect it anyplace in your LAN, and it should be accessible from
anyplace else in your LAN.
You could also use the router in a TG1672G as your one router, and
configure the MK63 as a WAP. As usual, many things are possible. But
avoiding multiple routers is generally the basis of a good plan.
> I don't care if the Tme Capsule would have a different SSID than the
> rest of the network [...]
Wireless SSIDs are generally independent of everything else.
> [...] such as a Western Digital My Cloud Duo 4 TB 2-Bay Personal
> Cloud, which I presume I could connect directly to the Satellite of the
> MK63 and it would become part of the NetGear network.
So long as you have one router (hence, one big LAN), you should be
able to connect any such storage appliance anyplace in that LAN.
Thanks for your helpful comments. I WILL have one modem only device in my upcoming installation and one router, the MK63. What I am hoping to do is to configure the MK63 to use the IP range of "10.0.1.*" rather then the apparent default of "192.168.1.*" Would you expect that when I set up the MK63 I would an opportunity to make this choice.
Then, based on your suggestions I would set the Time Capsule to AP Mode and connect it to one of the satellites and connect a Vonage device with an RJ45 cable to either the main router of the MK63, or to Time Capsule as it is now.
- BiyaheroFeb 14, 2021Apprentice
Sorry here is the attachment of the user with the SSID renaming problem I failed to attach to my message above.
- michaelkenwardFeb 14, 2021Guru - Experienced User
You might get more help, and find earlier questions and answers about your hardware, in the appropriate section for your device. That's probably here:
Nighthawk Mesh System - NETGEAR CommunitiesPeople who use that kit are more likely to hang out there.
- antinodeFeb 14, 2021Guru
> [...] His 2.4 Ghz network continued to be named Rivers-TWC and his 5G
> network continued to reset itslelf to the name NETGEAR-5G which I
> suppose is the default.Firmware bug? With "Smart Connect" enabled, the router should be
using the same SSID for both radios, so you should not be able to choose
a different one for the 5GHz radio. But I'd expect it to display that
same SSID for both radios, too.My first question would be whether the wrong SSID is being used, or
only displayed on the web page. (Wrong either way, of course.)> Bugs (hardware and firmware) in Netgear routers have been reported
> here more than once. (By me, among others.)I rest my case.
> [...] "Techicolor" and a Hiron - Model En2251.
"Technicolor"? "Hitron"? I've heard of a Hitron CGNM-2250, which is
a "Gateway" (modem+router), but, I'd guess, would have a modem-only
mode. Having an accurate model number can help when seeking info.https://us.hitrontech.com/support-only/cgnm-2250-cable-modem-router/
> [...] I WILL have one modem only device in my upcoming installation
> and one router, the MK63. [...]Ok.
> [...] What I am hoping to do is to configure the MK63 to use the IP
> range of "10.0.1.*" rather then the apparent default of "192.168.1.*"
> Would you expect that when I set up the MK63 I would an opportunity to
> make this choice.Visit http://netgear.com/support , put in your model number, and
look for Documentation. Get the User Manual (ay least). Read. Look
for "Change the LAN TCP/IP settings". (My D7000[v1] is set to use
"10.0.0.*", for faster typing, for example.)
> Then, based on your suggestions [...]Sounds plausible. (What could go wrong?)
> You might get more help, [...]Because so much of this conversation relates to the meshiness of an
MK63, and not to the fundamentals of modems, routers, WAPs, and so on?
And the readership of that forum and this are disjoint?- BiyaheroFeb 19, 2021Apprentice
antinode wrote:>> Bugs (hardware and firmware) in Netgear routers have been reported
>> here more than once. (By me, among others.)> I rest my case.
Good Point
>> [...] "Techicolor" and a Hiron - Model En2251.
> "Technicolor"? "Hitron"? I've heard of a Hitron CGNM-2250, which is
> a "Gateway" (modem+router), but, I'd guess, would have a modem-only
> mode. Having an accurate model number can help when seeking info.> https://us.hitrontech.com/support-only/cgnm-2250-cable-modem-router/
> Hitron CGNM-2250 is a Combo Modem and RouterIt turns out there is a Hiron - En2251 Cable Modem.Acctually there is a whole chart at that URL of various Hiron Cable Modems,some of them having a Fixed Frequency of "Fixed 5-42" and others having"Switchable 5-85/5-204MHz, Extended Downstream up to 1.2 GHz" (which I will have to educate myself more on what that means), and the bottom two even have"2 Voice Ports + External Battery".EN2251-HSI Switchable 5-85/5-204MHz, Extended Downstream up to 1.2 GHzEN2251-RES - Fixed 5-85The overlords claim:
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Probably those are more advanced than Spectrum will want to give me for my anicipated 400 Gbps connection, so I'll probably end up with an ARRIS CM8200 or CM8300 which will likely be good enough.
>> [...] I WILL have one modem only device in my upcoming installation
>> and one router, the MK63. [...]> Ok.
I changed my mind about the MK63, and purchased an Orbi
RBK753S-100NAS yesterday to lessen the chances I will be disappointed.>> [...] What I am hoping to do is to configure the MK63 to use the IP
>> range of "10.0.1.*" rather then the apparent default of "192.168.1.*"
> >Would you expect that when I set up the MK63 I would an opportunity to
> >make this choice.>Visit http://netgear.com/support , put in your model number, and
>look for Documentation. Get the User Manual (ay least). Read. Look
>for "Change the LAN TCP/IP settings". (My D7000[v1] is set to use
>"10.0.0.*", for faster typing, for example.)
>> Then, based on your suggestions [...]>Sounds plausible. (What could go wrong?)
Hahaha! Right what could go wrong! Well I did look for documentation as you suggested and got the user manual for the MK63, and it does seem to let you change those settings ... now I will look for the Orbi RBK753S-100NAS Manual.
Actually though, now have decided to replace my TIme Capsule/Router (which Apple advises is nearing the end of it's service life) with a Western Digital My Cloud Network Attached Storage and use that with Time Machine to maintain reliabiliy of my backups and eliminate the IP addressing and double nat issue.
>> You might get more help, [...]>Because so much of this conversation relates to the meshiness of an
>MK63, and not to the fundamentals of modems, routers, WAPs, and so on?
>And the readership of that forum and this are disjoint?Thanks antinode I will try to find an appropriate forum for the Orbi device, but I seemingly am having a hard time finding things here ... when I try to get back to these forums I mostly get a Access Denied of Can't Reach that Site, or a Netgear Sales site... then miraculously all of a sudden it will come back. I'll keep trying.
Thanks for your help!