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ngearftard
Sep 27, 2018Luminary
XR500 Causing Latency & Packet Loss
Here are the PingPlotter results with my PC ethernet-connected directly to Arris cable modem (with no other devices connected to it) in bridge mode:
https://imgur.com/NRZhdw8
Here are the res...
ngearftard
Sep 27, 2018Luminary
Often, the connection literally goes nuts:
Netduma-Fraser
Sep 27, 2018NetDuma Partner
Well for a start your base connection is spiking on its own anyway so that is an issue, the XR500 will not be able to prevent that. The reason that its worse on the XR500 is because you're not utilising the QoS feature at all. Recommend setting Anti-Bufferbloat to 'Always' and put the download & upload sliders on 70%.
- ngearftardSep 27, 2018Luminary
I did as you said. At first everything was much better. Now I'm getting massive lag spikes and packet loss:
Could using my PC's MAC address as the router's MAC address be causing some sort of issue with my ISP? Should I reset the router, so that it's showing it's own MAC address, and then call my ISP to tell them recognize the router as THE device connected to the Arris cable modem?
- Netduma-FraserSep 27, 2018NetDuma PartnerIf you connected to the router with that PC and they have the same MAC address maybe that confuses the router. Would factory reset and leave the MAC alone. Don't think you would need to call the ISP, it would usually just take a few days. Alternatively you could give it the MAC address of the router you had previously.
- ngearftardSep 28, 2018Luminary
First and foremost, I must apologize. Wish I could edit the thread Subject header, because it's false.
TL;DR: Issue was make/model of cable modem. Solved by getting another make/model.
First thing I did was change out the modem at the ISP's office, but was told none other than the Arris is available.
Its latency profile looked exactly the same as before, even after updating the firmware, which my ISP pushed to the modem while on the phone with them.
What got me on the path to the solution was Netduma-Fraser's statement earlier:
"Well for a start your base connection is spiking on its own anyway so that is an issue, the XR500 will not be able to prevent that."
"Spiking on its own, hmmm interesting," I thought.
So I connected my PC to directly to the Arris cable modem, and ran PingPlotter on it via its Default Gateway address. Here are the results:
"Wow," I thought, "all those spikes are getting added on to my traffic right out of the gate; no wonder I'm having issues."
So I researched this for longer than I'd like to admit, and finally stumbled on articles/posts written about some lag issue, at regular intervals when plotting latency over time, with Intel Puma 6 chipsets in certain modems, and not just certain Arris modems. A lot of ticked off gamers out there right now over this. Apparently, the issue can't be resolved through a firmware update. There are lists of many modem makes/models using this chip set, not only Arris.
So I called my ISP and asked the tech rep if we're allowed to buy and use our own cable modem, and he said, "yes, as long as it's on the list of approved modems on our website." So I looked that list up, and there were a number them on it. Some that may also have the Puma chipset, but others that don't, such as the Netgear CM600, which has a BroadCom chipset.
The CM600 was available locally, so I bought one for $100.
Got home, hooked it up, and called my ISP who walked me through the activation process. First thing I did was run PingPlotter on the Default Gateway with only my PC connected to the CM600. Sorry I didn't snap a screen cap of that one (and not going to interrupt my wife's Netflix to do it now), but it was beautiful (talking on the order of 1 ms average latency).
Here are my PingPlotter results for wired PC pinging Google via the XR500 and the CM600 with a bunch of wirelessly connected to it on default QOS settings. These two Netgear devices really like each other:
Thanks, Netduma-Fraser for setting me on the right track. You guys are great.
P.S. Really feel bad for people who either don't know they're being affected by this issue or can't afford to change out their Puma 6 chipset cable modems for something else. "Why didn't that click register!" "Why does this game keep kicking me!" "Why is everybody warping!"
- Netduma_JackSep 29, 2018NetDuma Partner
Don't worry at all, we're just very happy your issue has been diagnosed and that you let us know! There's nothing more annoying than having connection issues, especially when you're trying to game. It's the reason our company began after all - to try and reduce those moments as much as possible.
Good job on getting it all working :smileyhappy:
- zNiGHTIYIaReOct 21, 2018AspirantHi I don’t understand the site all too well but I’m having severe packet loss as well ever since the newest firmware release. As far as I can tell it’s only on my PS4. All other devices seem fine. The previous firmware also worked fine. I’ve tried factory resetting but that didn’t work. I need help
- Netduma-FraserOct 21, 2018NetDuma PartnerHow do you know that you're suffering from packet loss on the PS4? How are you testing this?
- zNiGHTIYIaReOct 22, 2018AspirantFortnite has net debug stats and shows packet loss as well as I experience the same type of stuttering on other multiplayer games. I lag specifically on my PS4. I tried switching out Ethernet cords but that didn’t help. Before the newest firmware I didn’t have this problem though. It’s important to note my modem is one that has intel’s puma 6 chipset, but all was well before the firmware update so I don’t understand