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network mapping on orbi app
Hi
Have orbi 354 RBK/R
i really don't understand the mapping showed on the app
Sometimes the presentation is logical with the nearest satellites sending to a distanced one the network (and all green) and sometimes a forest satellite sending to a forest one when another which is closer is not connected (and orange connection this way...)
why is not the network stable when nothing in the environnement changes ?
and what logic when a nearest satellite don't sent the network to another when a forest one does ?`
thanks
Arnodoc wrote:
I don’t understand why sometimes the first in line go to the third and the second directly to the router and sometimes it’s in line (1,2,3) are less than 7meters far from each other
ArnaudThis is a very good question. And I see no obvious answer. Does the connection pattern change spontaneously? i.e. At one point in time, the sequence is 1-2-3 and then at another point in time it is 2-1-3 (or something else)? Does it ever change back to 1-2-3?
Or, does the connection pattern change when part or all of the system is powered off and then back on? (either from a power failure or perhaps cycling one or more satellites)?
Are the satellites "in a line" from the router to the last router? Or, are they in slightly different directions? For example, could 1 and 2 both be "about 7 meters from the router" in different directions, with satellite 3 another 7 meters farther away?
The Orbi 350 system is a "Dual Band" WiFi mesh (similar to the first Google Mesh) where the 5G WiFi radio/antenna are used both to connect user devices to the system and to communicate between router and satellites. This provides a substantial manufacturing cost savings (fewer components) which translates into a lower selling price. This means when a device uses WiFi to talk to a satellite, every other device (including router and satellites) must be silent. When that information goes from one satellite to another, every other device (user devices, router, other satellites) must be silent. When WiFi usage is relatively low, there is ample capacity to get acceptable performance. As network traffic increases, at some point the WiFi bandwidth will become saturated and "cap out." This is why Netgear recommends even the Tri-band Orbi systems have a maximum of two satellites in a Daisy Chain:
https://kb.netgear.com/000062035/How-many-satellites-can-you-add-to-an-Orbi-WiFi-System
This does not mean to say that exceeding this recommendation results in failure: only that at some point the performance may not meet expectations.
The obvious solution to this problem is to connect those satellites to the RBR350 router using Ethernet cables. Alas, for most customers, running Ethernet cables through an existing building is either very costly or nearly impossible. The most benefit would come from wiring the farthest satellites first. If Ethernet cables are impractical, many people have been successful using a substitute for physical cable:
- Multimedia over Coax Alliance (MoCA)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_over_Coax_Alliance
Many houses have existing coaxial cables connecting almost every room. - Power Line Communication
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-line_communication
This uses existing electrical wiring to carry digital signals. It is sensitive to problems with the physical wire and works best when all adapters are on the same electrical circuit. (I have PowerLine connecting my Orbi router with two Tivo units that are on two circuits on the same electrical panel. Works fine. When I tried to add a fourth adapter in the garage, it would work for a while and then go dead. Restart - go dead in a week or so. Finally gave up on the fourth adapter and put in a WiFi extender.)
Some creativity might be needed. With the biggest benefit coming from eliminating the farthest satellites from WiFi, it might be possible to leave satellite 1 on WiFi, then connect from 1 to 2 and 3 over MoCA or PowerLine.
- Multimedia over Coax Alliance (MoCA)
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Maybe based on signal quality between the RBR and RBS and each other.
Placing RBS on each side of the RBR should show a star formation and each RBS connected separately to the RBR. If you have the RBS placed out in a line from the RBR, then this is a daisy chain formation and will show RBS on the Orbi in all out in a line from the RBR.
How many RBS are deployed?
What is the size of your home? Sq Ft?
What is the distance between the router and 📡 satellite(s)? 30 feet or more is recommended in between RBR📡 and RBS🛰️ to begin with depending upon building materials when wired or wirelessly connected.
https://kb.netgear.com/31029/Where-should-I-place-my-Orbi-satellite 🛰️What channel configurations are currently set on the router?
Any Wifi Neighbors near by? If so, how many?What Firmware version is currently loaded?
What is the Mfr and model# of the Internet Service Providers modem/ONT the NG router is connected too?- Tks for reply, but you don’t understand my question (sorry for my poor language)
Have a quite big house (300m2) with (as said) a RBK/R 354 (so 4 satellites)
3 are logically in line and one in another direction
I don’t understand why sometimes the first in line go to the third and the second directly to the router and sometimes it’s in line (1,2,3)
Nothing change my walls are same and all computers or else in the same place
When the touter gos to number 2 dirrctly and not through number 1, his strength is less (orange) when it is green through the number 1.
Why is the connection between satellites so unstable…? And not logical in connection?
The 3 in line are less than 7meters far from each other
Arnaud
Arnodoc wrote:
I don’t understand why sometimes the first in line go to the third and the second directly to the router and sometimes it’s in line (1,2,3) are less than 7meters far from each other
ArnaudThis is a very good question. And I see no obvious answer. Does the connection pattern change spontaneously? i.e. At one point in time, the sequence is 1-2-3 and then at another point in time it is 2-1-3 (or something else)? Does it ever change back to 1-2-3?
Or, does the connection pattern change when part or all of the system is powered off and then back on? (either from a power failure or perhaps cycling one or more satellites)?
Are the satellites "in a line" from the router to the last router? Or, are they in slightly different directions? For example, could 1 and 2 both be "about 7 meters from the router" in different directions, with satellite 3 another 7 meters farther away?
The Orbi 350 system is a "Dual Band" WiFi mesh (similar to the first Google Mesh) where the 5G WiFi radio/antenna are used both to connect user devices to the system and to communicate between router and satellites. This provides a substantial manufacturing cost savings (fewer components) which translates into a lower selling price. This means when a device uses WiFi to talk to a satellite, every other device (including router and satellites) must be silent. When that information goes from one satellite to another, every other device (user devices, router, other satellites) must be silent. When WiFi usage is relatively low, there is ample capacity to get acceptable performance. As network traffic increases, at some point the WiFi bandwidth will become saturated and "cap out." This is why Netgear recommends even the Tri-band Orbi systems have a maximum of two satellites in a Daisy Chain:
https://kb.netgear.com/000062035/How-many-satellites-can-you-add-to-an-Orbi-WiFi-System
This does not mean to say that exceeding this recommendation results in failure: only that at some point the performance may not meet expectations.
The obvious solution to this problem is to connect those satellites to the RBR350 router using Ethernet cables. Alas, for most customers, running Ethernet cables through an existing building is either very costly or nearly impossible. The most benefit would come from wiring the farthest satellites first. If Ethernet cables are impractical, many people have been successful using a substitute for physical cable:
- Multimedia over Coax Alliance (MoCA)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_over_Coax_Alliance
Many houses have existing coaxial cables connecting almost every room. - Power Line Communication
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-line_communication
This uses existing electrical wiring to carry digital signals. It is sensitive to problems with the physical wire and works best when all adapters are on the same electrical circuit. (I have PowerLine connecting my Orbi router with two Tivo units that are on two circuits on the same electrical panel. Works fine. When I tried to add a fourth adapter in the garage, it would work for a while and then go dead. Restart - go dead in a week or so. Finally gave up on the fourth adapter and put in a WiFi extender.)
Some creativity might be needed. With the biggest benefit coming from eliminating the farthest satellites from WiFi, it might be possible to leave satellite 1 on WiFi, then connect from 1 to 2 and 3 over MoCA or PowerLine.
- Multimedia over Coax Alliance (MoCA)
