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FURRYe38
Sep 08, 2023Guru - Experienced User
New - RBR750 / RBS750 Firmware Version 7.2.6.21 Released
New Features: 09/08/2023
Supports Separate SSID IoT network.
https://kb.netgear.com/000064267/How-do-I-enable-or-disable-the-Internet-of-things-IoT-network-on-my-Orbi-WiFi-6E-System
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- Sep 10, 2023
Followed the directions and upgraded. Did the RBS750 units first and then the RBR750. Appears to be working well.
One important note, I did need to restart each RBS750 after the RBR750 was upgraded to re-establish connection. As each is on a UPS and mounted on the all, required a ladder.
Otherwise working fine at this time.
I didn't see the "IoT" network feature at first. You need to go into Wireless setup. You'll then see a "Wireless IoT Settings' and the ability to "enable" an IoT wireless SSID along with password.
Nice to have this feature added finally. I believe it's important to have a Trusted, IoT and Guest wireless SSID.
ant
Nov 28, 2023Prodigy
OK. I finally updated my Orbi RBK753's firmwares v4.6.14.3 to v7.2.6.21 manually (2 satellites and then its router one by one slowly). Things seems OK so far after 30 mins. I didn't enable its new IoT feature since I don't have any IoT devices. I noticed the new wifi security options for WPA2-PSK [AES] + WPA3-Personal [SAE]. Finally.
Questions: Do wireless devices use the (new/high)est WPA3-Personal [SAE] over WPA2-PSK [AES] by default if supported? Also, is there a way to tell which WPA security connection the devices are using like in iPhones (6+[iOS v12.5.7] to 13), iPad Air (original), Apple TVs (3G & 4K), Intel MacBook Pros (2008 with El Capitan v10.11.6), 2012 (Mojave v10.14.6), and 2020 (Ventura v13.6.1)), OfficeJet Pro 8028e inkjet color printer, etc.? Is there a way to do all three (WPA-PSK [TKIP] + WPA2-PSK [AES] + WPA3-Personal [SAE]) if wifi devices will pick the (high/new)est secured wifi connections with Orbi?
FURRYe38
Nov 28, 2023Guru - Experienced User
Orbi only supports Mixed Mode WPA2 and WPA3 or WPA2 only modes. TPIK is considered older mode and is also compromised. Use only if really needed. Recommend WPA2 and WPA3 mixed mode. Have not had any problems with this since NG finally put this mode back in.
- antNov 28, 2023Prodigy
Wow, quick answers. Thanks. So far, WPA2-PSK [AES] + WPA3-Personal [SAE] seems to work with very old hardwares like 2008 MBP (El Capitan v10.11.6), iPhone 6+ (iOS v12.5.7), and original iPad Air (v12.5.7). I am going to assume they're using WPA2-PSK [AES]. I hope I don't have anything older that require WPA-PSK. I wished there was a way to see which wireless secured connections are being used in real time like in the router or even on client side.
What are your oldest connected wifi devices you have with this Orbi model?
- CrimpOnNov 28, 2023Guru - Experienced User
Technically, it may be possible to infer which authentication method has been used. (Not having a router capable of WPA3 I have not investigated this carefully.)
The WiFi management frames which are used to handle the connection process include one for authentication.
https://mrncciew.com/2019/11/29/wpa3-sae-mode/
Capturing management frames is not a trivial exercise. I went through nine circles of Hell getting a WiFi adapter put into monitor mode and getting it configured to capture management frames from only the Orbi WiFi adapter. (whew!) But, it has been months and I would have to start over to remember how to do it.
- FURRYe38Nov 28, 2023Guru - Experienced User
Ya I still have older devices from 2010/12 era that are still connecting using mixed modes. I have 3 DLink series cameras that are still connecting. I don't know if they would setup from scratch and connect. I've been just migrating them across different routers I test, having both routers online and the out going being turned OFF and the devices auto migrate over to the new router that came online. And I do have a iphone 6sP as well that connects I believe. I need to check my Mac Mini from 2012 but its mostly connected via ethernet.
I do have some NG routers that when in wireless bridge mode, will not connect if WPA3 is present. Just FYI.
R7000, R7800 and R9000.
ant wrote:
Wow, quick answers. Thanks. So far, WPA2-PSK [AES] + WPA3-Personal [SAE] seems to work with very old hardwares like 2008 MBP (El Capitan v10.11.6), iPhone 6+ (iOS v12.5.7), and original iPad Air (v12.5.7). I am going to assume they're using WPA2-PSK [AES]. I hope I don't have anything older that require WPA-PSK. I wished there was a way to see which wireless secured connections are being used in real time like in the router or even on client side.
What are your oldest connected wifi devices you have with this Orbi model?