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Datwyl01
May 09, 2021Aspirant
ORBI AX4200 to ISP Fiber optic modem or router
I have fiber running into my home and am using the ISP FO modem (Alcatel-Lucent) connected to the ISP provided modem (ZYXEL XMG3512). My TV service also runs through this modem (via a ZYXEL HLA3000). ...
FURRYe38
Jun 28, 2021Guru - Experienced User
Your ISP Modem already has a built in router and wifi. This would be a double NAT (two router) condition which isn't recommended. https://kb.netgear.com/30186/What-is-Double-NAT
https://kb.netgear.com/30187/How-to-fix-issues-with-Double-NAT
Couple of options,
1. Configure the modem for transparent bridge or modem only mode. Then use the Orbi router in router mode. You'll need to contact the ISP for help and information in regards to the modem being bridged correctly.
2. If you can't bridge the modem, disable ALL wifi radios on the modem, configure the modems DMZ/ExposedHost or IP Pass-Through for the IP address the Orbi router gets from the modem. Then you can use the Orbi router in Router mode.
3. Or disable all wifi radios on the modem and connect the Orbi router to the modem, configure AP mode on the Orbi router. https://kb.netgear.com/31218/How-do-I-configure-my-Orbi-router-to-act-as-an-access-point and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7LOcJ8GdDo&app=desktop
SInce your ISP said the ISP router is required, I would try option #2 or #3...
Datwyl01
Jun 28, 2021Aspirant
FURRYe38
Slightly confused. I understand the 3 options you suggested. I’m confused about your first sentence, “ Your ISP Modem already has a built in router and wifi.”
The ISP supplied 3 pieces of equipment: (1) The fiber optic modem (Alcatel-Lucent 3FE51880AK I-240G-C ); (2) the ISP provided router (ZYXEL XMG3512). I mistakenly called this a modem in the original post. And (3) ZYXEL HLA3000 for the TV service connected to the router.
Are we still talking Double NAT?
I plan to call the ISP tech support to verify the info told to me by the service tech
Anything else I should ask?
Slightly confused. I understand the 3 options you suggested. I’m confused about your first sentence, “ Your ISP Modem already has a built in router and wifi.”
The ISP supplied 3 pieces of equipment: (1) The fiber optic modem (Alcatel-Lucent 3FE51880AK I-240G-C ); (2) the ISP provided router (ZYXEL XMG3512). I mistakenly called this a modem in the original post. And (3) ZYXEL HLA3000 for the TV service connected to the router.
Are we still talking Double NAT?
I plan to call the ISP tech support to verify the info told to me by the service tech
Anything else I should ask?
- FURRYe38Jun 28, 2021Guru - Experienced User
Yes if the tech connected the RBR to the ISP provided router (ZYXEL XMG3512), this is double NAT. One of the options mentioned will help with this.
- michaelkenwardJun 28, 2021Guru - Experienced User
FURRYe38 has already listed your main options.
But your list of devices is puzzling to me at least. Take this:
(2) the ISP provided router (ZYXEL XMG3512). I mistakenly called this a modem in the original post.I suspect that FURRYe38 did the same as I did – ask Google about the ZYXEL XMG3512. The link I found describes this as a " VDSL2 Bonding/SFP Multi WAN Gateway". If so it is a modem. The gateway word is sometimes used interchangeably with modem, although some prefer to reserve the gateway word for a modem that also support a telephone.
This then leaves me puzzled about this bit:
The ISP supplied 3 pieces of equipment: (1) The fiber optic modem (Alcatel-Lucent 3FE51880AK I-240G-C )Google is less helpful there. So your network is a mystery. What does this fiber optic modem do?
If the Alcatel-Lucent is a modem, then you have two modems strung together. Optical followed by bonded DSL. Which is kind of strange and not something I have ever seen talked about here.
You also said earlier:
He also said the ISP router is required since everything is running through it - including my HD TV and internet.To me this does not suggest that you must use this ISP router, simply that he set thing up like that. Done properly, you might not need it but you'll have to configure everything carefully.
Then again, we are left with this puzzling chain of modems.
There's another small fly in the ointment. Your first message said you are trying to configure an ORBI AX4200. That could be one of a few things. AX4200 tells us about the wifi technology, not the model number of the device. That is probably the RBK752 or the RBK753.
In an ideal world, you would ditch the ZYXEL XMG3512 and connect your ORBI to the Alcatel-Lucent "modem". The plug everything into the LAN ports on the Orbi devices.
FURRYe38 is better than I am at unravelling these conundrums. So they may have more useful suggestions, but I would certainly like to now what this Alcatel-Lucent is doing.
It might help to say what sort of Internet do you have? DSL? (That is what the ZYXEL XMG3512 works with.) Cable? Or optical fibre? (Fibre alone is a meaningless label that ISPs use to describe just about ever type of Internet because they all have fibre somewhere in the chain.)
The ZYXEL HLA3000 seems to be something that you can plug into any Ethernet socket with an Internet connection.
Now, perhaps, you can see why people did not rush to answer your first message.
- schumakuJun 28, 2021Guru - Experienced User
michaelkenward wrote:
FURRYe38 has already listed your main options.
But your list of devices is puzzling to me at least. Take this:
(2) the ISP provided router (ZYXEL XMG3512). I mistakenly called this a modem in the original post.I suspect that FURRYe38 did the same as I did – ask Google about the ZYXEL XMG3512. The link I found describes this as a " VDSL2 Bonding/SFP Multi WAN Gateway". If so it is a modem.
There is indeed a two-wire modem for up to VDSL2+ - however there is also an SFP WAN cage can take GPON, Active-fiber, or GFast module, and/or a Gigabit Ethernet WAN port (I guess this is in use between the Fiber OSP and the router ... that's why it appears to work when plugging the Orbi WAN/Internet port there.
Datwyl01 wrote:
I have reposted this 3x now with zero response from the community. Does ANYONE have any idea about this issue?The problem is the non-existing crystall ball on how the Fiber OSP and the ISP router is configured when it comes to the triple-play services.
The point to start with an attempt to "unbundle" boxes would be talking to your undefined ISP, or to a ISP community where people already have taken the plunge to reverse-engineer (or get the information from the ISP) - being for VLAN(s) involved, IGMP Multicast for live TV, ISP/carrier supported TR-069/181 based monitoring and support (certainly not available on the Orbi), on merging IPTV and Internet into one LAN allowing to have the IPTV Set-top-box (capable for other features probable, like Netflix et all, DLNA media access) and the other systems on your [W]LAN on one network and IP subnet (something Orbi can't again) ...
Should the Fiber be some kind of shared fiber like GPON, there is even more complexity, as laser colours and encryption authentication does typically add a hurdle you can't overcome, even if you would own business class router with SFP/SFP+/SFP28 WAN interface(s).