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Orbi Router Model #RBR850 WiFi 6 WPA3 Ring cameras, Security System, other Devices can’t connect
When I turn on WPA3 Security and IPV6 my Cameras, Doorbell, FireStick and other devices can't connect to 2.4GHz or 5GHz WiFi. Is there anyway to connect these devices manually to 2.4 and 5G and my de...
CrimpOn wrote:
Rottikid wrote:
Is there anyway to tell which devices are connected to 5G and which devices are connected to WiFi 6 AX mode on 5G? Is there a breakout like there is for 2.4G and 5G which tells you which is connected to,what.
An interesting puzzle. 2.4G 802.11b/g/n has maximum data rates:
802.11b - 11mb
802.11g - 54mb
802.11n - 600 (theoretical)
If a 2.4G device is connected at a link rate higher than 54mb, is must be 802.11n (or ax?)
Yes, depends on what the device supports.
Don't forget AC. 80Mhz is 1300Mbps, 160 supports 1733Mpbs
5G 802..11 has similar limits. If the link rate is higher than 866, it must be ax. Actually don't forget AC. 5Ghz AC supports up to 1733Mpbs if 160Mhz is suported on both devices.
The only devices that can be connected with ax must have the capability of ax. That rules out a huge fraction of the devices in most homes.
Not having any myself, I wonder if any devices are capable of displaying ax connection? Depends on there support. Why have some load up WifiSweetSpots app on some mobile devices, can get a ball part speed rate with this app.
FURRYe38 is totally correct. There is no relationship between IPv6, WiFi6, and WPA3. Completely different things.
- IPv6 is the update from IPv4 that has been "coming" for nearly 20 years. None of the inexpensive Internet of Things (IoT) devices are capable of IPv6. They are perfectly happy using the router's IPv4 capability. Every Orbi since 2016 has supported IPv6.
- WiFi6 refers to 802.11ax. This is an improvement over 802.11b/g/n and 802.11ac that promises greater capacity for devices that are 802.11ax capable. (and there are not all that many of them). Once again, all of those existing devices, including televisions, security cameras, etc. etc. have radio chips in them that are not capable of 802.11ax. Even worse, there are some devices which will not connect if the "ax" feature is enabled. The choice then is (a) replace that device, or (b) disable ax for everything.
- WPA3 security is an "improvement" over WPA2. Once again, the number of devices which are capable of WPA3 is very few. (Microsoft just recently announced an update to Windows 10 to support WPA3.)
as FURRYe38 mentioned, some WiFi systems support both WPA2 and WPA3, which results in a system that is no more secure than WPA has been for years. I compare this to a homeowner who tells the locksmith "put in the most secure Medico lock there is" (special keys that can only be purchased by registered locksmiths. Special key cutting machine. Almost impossible to 'pick'. And then says, "oh, and also make it so my existing KwikSet keys will open the door."
WPA3 is great in a controlled environment where every computer is capable of WPA3.
Go back to WPA2 and things will connect.
CrimpOn,
The only reason I want to use WPA3 is because it is necessary if I'm going to use WiFi 6. I have quite a few devices that use WiFi 6. My iPhone, iPad, new Ring Pro Doorbell 2, and FireStick.
I figured my WiFi would be faster. I know the new Orbi 9 has WPA2/WPA3. Yes I know it also has WiFi 6E whIch is different than WiFi 6. Just wondering when they will fix the WPA2/WPA3 for the Orbi RBR850. I know it was released but had problems so it was taken down. It's pretty annoying that you can't use WiFi 6 with other devices. It is one of the reasons I bought this router. Hopefully Netgear is working on it. Thanks again for all your help. I'll forward to hearing from you. Have a good night.
Rottikid
Rottikid wrote:
The only reason I want to use WPA3 is because it is necessary if I'm going to use WiFi 6.This is not my understanding. If WPA3 were required any time 802.11ax is enabled, then Netgear would not allow any other choice of security. All of the posts I have seen about the Orbi AX remark that users wish Netgear had provided WPA2/WPA3 mixed security, because the way it is they have to use WPA2 for all their devices that cannot use WPA3. That is, they use (802.11ax) and WPA2.
CrimpOn,
the only way to use WiFi 6 is to use WPA3.
6GHzIf you open the Orbi app and go to WiFi settings then go to Security method they offer:None
WPA2-Personal
WPA3-Personal
WPA/WPA2-PersonalAt the very bottom it says:
Note: 6GHz WiFi supports only WPA3
NETGEAR hopefully will have a fix shortly. Thanks again for all your help. Does anyone have Netgear's Corporate phone number or a Number for their Tech dept. The one listed no one answers. Because this is a big deal and as I said it was the reason I purchased their WiFi 6 router. The router is quite expensive and it has been well over 7 months with this problem not being able to use WiFi 6. They said that the Orbi RBR850 was backward compatible and it certainly is not. Thanks again. Hopefully someone will be able to provide me with a working number for their Corporate Offices.
Rottikid- WiFi5 uses the 5Ghz frequency. 6G is WiFi6E
The 850 does not support 6G frequencies (WiFi6E) only the newest product supports 6G frequencies
Rottikid wrote:CrimpOn,
The only reason I want to use WPA3 is because it is necessary if I'm going to use WiFi 6. I have quite a few devices that use WiFi 6. My iPhone, iPad, new Ring Pro Doorbell 2, and FireStick.Besides the other info posted, note that none of these devices support WiFi 6e or the new 6Ghz band. Expect new devices to support 6e and then those are the ones that will require WPA3. However, WiFi 6 and AX (on the 5Ghz band) are supported by the Orbi 850 do not require WPA3.
https://kb.netgear.com/000064176/Does-my-Apple-iPhone-iPad-or-Mac-support-WiFi-6E
