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RBR750 and RBS750 not seeing each other with wired backhaul
I have an RBR750 set up in AP mode I also have an RBS750 Both are running V4.6.14.3 Both units are connected to a switch via their LAN ports (I am not using the RBR as a router) Both unit...
What is the Mfr and model# of the host router the NG router is connected too?
RBR750
Firmware Version V4.6.14.3_2.3.12
GUI Language Version V3.0.1.54_2.1.30.3
How is the RBR connected to the host router? WAN port?
RBR is connected to the main gigE switch using a cat6 cable
RBR is set up in AP mode
The internet router is also connected to this switch
The WAN port on the RBR is not used
Whats the brand and model# of the LAN switch being used?
It's an unmanaged 8 port gigE switch from TPLink - TL-SG108S
How do the devices discover each other?
What CAT# LAN cable is being used? CAT6 is recommended.
CAT6
Try the RBS directly connected to the back of the RBR with out the switch?
Unfortunately that would be a problem with the available cabling. I might be able to work something out temporarily though. However, at that point they would be so close that I presumably wouldn't know if the backhaul was wired or wireless...?
Both devices are visible on the network - and both are providing wifi access to devices - but if they are not seeing each other, that presumably means both are acting as standalone access points....which may or may not have any real-world effect in terms of device handover etc...?
dbrb2 wrote:
What is the Mfr and model# of the host router the NG router is connected too?
RBR750
Firmware Version V4.6.14.3_2.3.12
GUI Language Version V3.0.1.54_2.1.30.3What is the other routers brand name and model# that the RBR750 is connected too?
How is the RBR connected to the host router? WAN port?
RBR is connected to the main gigE switch using a cat6 cable
RBR is set up in AP mode
The internet router is also connected to this switch
The WAN port on the RBR is not used <The WAN port on the RBR while in AP mode HAS to be used for proper operation of the RBR AND RBS.
Whats the brand and model# of the LAN switch being used?
It's an unmanaged 8 port gigE switch from TPLink - TL-SG108S
How do the devices discover each other?
What CAT# LAN cable is being used? CAT6 is recommended.
CAT6
Try the RBS directly connected to the back of the RBR with out the switch?
Unfortunately that would be a problem with the available cabling. I might be able to work something out temporarily though. However, at that point they would be so close that I presumably wouldn't know if the backhaul was wired or wireless...?
Something to try as a quick test to see if the RBS sync over ethernet to the back of the RBR and they show properly when ethernet connected on the RBRs web page. Wired status should appear for each RBS after they successfully sync over ethernet.
Both devices are visible on the network - and both are providing wifi access to devices - but if they are not seeing each other, that presumably means both are acting as standalone access points....which may or may not have any real-world effect in terms of device handover etc...?
Ah sorry I made a mistake:
I am (and have always) been using the RBR WAN port in AP mode.
In AP mode then, the WAN port does not merely become another LAN port?
I have connected the RBS to one of the RBR LAN ports, and the RBR now shows "12 sat connected, connection type wired"
Likewise, the App shows the RBS connected
The RBS web interface itself seems a little confused, showing the router greyed out - but maybe that is because it has no graphic for a wired connection...
The fact this works might suggest that to use the wireless backhaul you have to use the RBR LAN ports - but to operate in AP mode you have to use the WAN port....so the RBR would need two cables run to it...? If so, I might go back to the old setup 🙂
Thanks!
Ok so if you have one RBS directly connected to the back of the RBR, this may point to the LAN switch your using? Or a bad cable in beteen the RBR, switch and from switch to RBS at it's remote location. Something is blocking proper data flow between the RBR and RBS.
NG GS-105/108v4 and GS308v3, D-Link DGS-105/108 and HP ProCurve 1400/1800 series switches work for Orbi systems.
dbrb2 wrote:
Ah sorry I made a mistake:
I am (and have always) been using the RBR WAN port in AP mode.
In AP mode then, the WAN port does not merely become another LAN port?
I have connected the RBS to one of the RBR LAN ports, and the RBR now shows "12 sat connected, connection type wired"
Likewise, the App shows the RBS connected
The RBS web interface itself seems a little confused, showing the router greyed out - but maybe that is because it has no graphic for a wired connection...
The fact this works might suggest that to use the wireless backhaul you have to use the RBR LAN ports - but to operate in AP mode you have to use the WAN port....so the RBR would need two cables run to it...? If so, I might go back to the old setup 🙂
Thanks!
This is the setup I was trying to use - which resulted in the two Orbi units being individually reachable, but not seeing each other:
This, below, is the only setup so far where the two devices successfully see one another:
I've tested out the cables, so am confident there is no problem there. But perhaps backhaul only works when using the LAN port on the RBR....?
I'm going to try NOT using the WAN port on the RBR at all, and see what effect that has
Would it be correct to conclude that physical wiring layout is responsible for the way devices are connected?
i.e. two devices are located at a central wiring hub:
- Internet Service Provider (ISP) router, and
- 8-port gigabit switch
The Orbi router, Orbi satellite, and perhaps other user devices are located in different locations using Ethernet cables which connect to that wiring hub.
There is only a single Ethernet cable from the hub to the location of the Orbi router.
Locating the Orbi router at the hub is undesirable for one reason or another.
The traditional method of using the Orbi in Access Point (AP) mode would be:
ISP Router -> Orbi Router WAN (in AP mode) -> LAN port to gigabit switch
Everything else connected to the gigabit switch.
Yes CrimpOn - see diagram in reply above
The central hub is where the router and switch have to be - but is also between two very thick structural walls, so is a poor place for the Orbi. I aso needed some features from the router firewall not available when using the Orbi in that mode
This is the layout that (touch wood) seems to be working OK - with the RBR WAN port unused, still in AP mode:
The only problem I have found so far with this setup (not using the WAN port on the RBR) is minor:
The f/w update page shows "no internet" - suggesting it is only checking the WAN port for connection to the world
So far as I can tell, everything else is working OK though
