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BaneSilvermoon
Apr 27, 2022Guide
RBRE960B compatibility with BGW320-500
Hi,
I'm currently running an AT&T Fiber connection with a BGW320-500 modem/router combo unit. First week of March I picked up an Orbi RBRE960B and swapped out my old Netgear Nighthawk for it. I immediately (quite literally the first time I powered everything back up) started having issues with my Modem seeming to be unable to sync to the AT&T Network. (AT&T has been quite confused by the situation because the modem flashes white when trying to come back up, not red which would indicate a network issue. They also tried 5 different modems, all with the same result). I'm somewhat fluent in networking and understood exactly how "my router is preventing my modem from syncing" sounds, which is why it's now two months later and I haven't done too much reaching out, but I'm at my wits end here with this now and coming up on more drastic solutions like changing ISP.
Over the last two months I've done a fair bit of troubleshooting. Removed satellites thinking they were too close together (and I'm sure they were). The last week I haven't been using any of the satellites, just the router alone. What I've been seeing, which has remained consistent the entire time, is that when the modem drops, if I disconnect the Orbi from the power source, the modem comes back online within minutes. I've confirmed this pattern easily more than two dozen times, and it always works. My internet has been down nearly all week (AT&T said they saw 114 disconnects in one day) so I finally swapped my Nighthawk back into the mix a few days ago. This has resolved the issue entirely.
Has anyone seen or heard of this kind of issue before? I'd like to get a replacement for my router and verify if it's truly a compatibility issue or some kind of defect with my router. I'm relatively sure it's not a configuration problem at this point, but maybe I'm missing something there. But I was fairly certain Netgear would likely just say "you can't use two router devices in the same home" and so far my brief conversation with Netgear seems to confirm those expectations, as that's exactly what I got from the call I just had with Netgear support. "Don't use a modem/router combo, I'll escalate your case".
Any thoughts on this? I actually have a self install kit in the mail from another internet provider. One where I could use my own modem. But after confirming with the Nighthawk that everything works just fine with a different router connected, I'm kind of wanting to cancel that and stick with AT&T. Their service has been flawless for two years. Something I couldn't say about the competitor in the past, which is why I switched in the first place. But I'd really like to find a way to use this Orbi mesh and keep AT&T.
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Your ISP Modem already has a built in router and wifi. This would be a double NAT (two router) condition which isn't recommended. https://kb.netgear.com/30186/What-is-Double-NAT
https://kb.netgear.com/30187/How-to-fix-issues-with-Double-NAT
Couple of options,
1. Configure the modem for transparent bridge or modem only mode. Then use the Orbi router in router mode. You'll need to contact the ISP for help and information in regards to the modem being bridged correctly.
2. If you can't bridge the modem, disable ALL wifi radios on the modem, configure the modems DMZ/ExposedHost or IP Pass-Through for the IP address the Orbi router gets from the modem. Then you can use the Orbi router in Router mode.
3. Or disable all wifi radios on the modem and connect the Orbi router to the modem, configure AP mode on the Orbi router. https://kb.netgear.com/31218/How-do-I-configure-my-Orbi-router-to-act-as-an-access-point and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7LOcJ8GdDo&app=desktopWhat CAT# lan cable are you using between the RBR and ISP modem?
What is the size of your home? Sq Ft?
What is the distance between the router and 📡 satellite(s)? 30 feet or more is recommended in between RBR and RBS📡 to begin with depending upon building materials when wirelessly connected.
https://kb.netgear.com/31029/Where-should-I-place-my-Orbi-satellite 📡What Firmware version is currently loaded?
Understood. As mentioned, the modem is configured for pass-through and has the routers IP address provided. Wifi was also disabled on the modem prior to configuring it for pass through, and the Orbi is running in Router mode. (Though I've considered trying it in AP, but that seems a huge waste to use an RBRE960 as an access point)
When the issue began, the router and modem were connected using a Cat5e cable. All of the cables have since been replaced and it's currently using a Cat8 cable. No change in behavior between the two.
House is only about 1100 square feet. The satellites are unplugged and sitting in the closet currently. That was part of the troubleshooting throughout the last 2 months, again as mentioned in the original post. The combination modem/router and Orbi router are the only network equipment being used. And as mentioned, with the Nighthawk router everything works flawlessly. But with the Orbi Mesh, the fiber modem desyncs.
I'll have to check the firmware later and get back with that. But it was recently updated. Within the last 30 days.Seen other users with odd behaviors with these particular BGW modems.
As a sanity check, remove the IP Pass thru and configure the RBR for AP mode for a few hours, see how the behavior does then.
What channels are you using?
Any Wifi Neighbors near by? If so, how many?
- XkennwAspirantI'm having this issue right now with the same devices. I don't even have them connected together as I'm on Xfinity until I can get this working. All I have to do is have the Orbi router on and BGW320 goes offline. This is the craziest thing I've ever seen. I've tried dozens of different things but cannot get the modem online as long as the Orbi is powered up. I have not tried putting the Orbi on different channels yet, but frankly doesn't seem like it will matter. I've turned the WiFi off on the modem so it should not be broadcasting or receiving on any channels anyway. ATT has no clue, the techs say they've never seen this before.