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D6300 issues setting up as AP
Hi Guys, I recently purchased a D6300 and thought it might be good to use it as an AP and bring it into my Fritzbox Mesh network, however I am running into a few problems. After reading close to 5...
Hi Jcyshin
Jcyshin wrote:
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3) 2nd attempt at the Genie App `interface, I chose 'No' and went through the settings myself. Within the Genie App I left everything the same, didn't change the SSID, didn't change the password. The only thing I did was set the D6300 to 'AP Mode' under advance settings.
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This is the only way to bring these xDSL routers to an AP configuration, being on the D6300 or on the D7000v2. (Documented in the RT*M for the D6300 p.99 ff. resp. the D7000v2 p.91 ff.). The "captured" Genie Assistant is made for establishing a router config on this xDSL router, probably even only for the ADSL, VDSL, VDSL2, ... Internet connection (otherwise the connected "Internet" relsp special LAN port 4 on the D7000v2 port would be recognized and it would be set-up as a NAT router). At that point, the designated Ethernet interface for the AP operation is the one shown in the RT*M, marked WAN.
One would expect it is able to get an IP config from the Ethernet connected Fritz router, and you should be able to reach the Web interface on that IP address from your normal LAN or WLAN.
Ignore the partial misleading "10. To reconnect, close and restart your browser and enter http://www_routerlogin_net. " - this can only work if the (plain text) DNS query does pass that device, eg. while you are connected to the Dxxx WLAN.
Jcyshin wrote:
5) I then unplugged the LAN Cable above and tried to see if it would work as a wireless AP or not.
This is where your misconception does start: A Wireless Access Point (AP) is by common definition always a bridge between the wireless and the wired network - it must be always connected to a wired network. You can't disconnect a "normal" from the wired network - it won't become magically a wireless repeater, or Mesh member of your proprietary AVM Fritzbox 7590 (MeshMaster) system (nor any other Mesh system like a Netgear Orbi, Orbi Pro, ...) and act like a Fritzbox 7490(Mesh Repeater/AP). It is what it is with this "third usage" config: A Wireless AP.
The same applies if you run your D7000v2 as a xDSL modem and router. The D6300 can only be connected as a wired Wireless Access Point. And yes, unfortunately has missed the opportunity for adding Mesh funtionality to older WiFI devices.
Hi Jcyshin,
What do you mean by " I am not longer able to connect to it?" Did you mean that it was working before? Did you mean that you cannot connect to the wifi of D6300 or to the internet itself when connected to the D6300 wifi network? Is there any error message?
Please do not hesitate to let me know if you need further assistance.
Regards,
Oliver
Community Team
Good afternoon Oliver,
Apologies for the late reply, holiday madness at the house. So in reply to your question:
So I purchased the D6300 and tried following instructions to get it connected, I wasn't sure if it would work in a mesh network that I currently have(which consists of a Fritzbox 7590 (MeshMaster) and Fritzbox 7490(Mesh Repeater/AP).
1) I plugged a LAN Cable into my FritzBox 7590, and the other end of the LAN Cable went into the 'Internet' port of the D6300, then powered the D6300 up.
2) From there, I used my Samsung Galaxy S10 and joined WIFI network 'NETGEAR80', and got into the Genie App Interface.
3) Followed the onscreen instructions, it said there was 'no internet' and asked if I would like Genie App to help establish a connection, I said 'Yes', selected my country, and went through the sreens, that didn't work, so I tried providng the MAC Address of a computer that is already on the network, all that option got me was a message on my phone saying:
Netgear80
Connected without internet
I can see the D6300 in my Fritzbox interface, but can't get into the Genie app by clicking it from there.
3) 2nd attempt at the Genie App `interface, I chose 'No' and went through the settings myself. Within the Genie App I left everything the same, didn't change the SSID, didn't change the password. The only thing I did was set the D6300 to 'AP Mode' under advance settings.
5) I then unplugged the LAN Cable above and tried to see if it would work as a wireless AP or not.
After reading post after post on Netgear Community, I am still lost :( but have come to a couple of possibilities:
A) the D6300 is not made to be used like an AP with anything other than Netgear, which means it hates the Fritzbox and vice versa.
B) The Fritzbox is the one causing the issue, however not sure how to fix that.
C) It must be something in relation to a missing step in my setup process like disabling DHCP on the D6300/applying the DHCP settings from my ISP?
Regardless, I am at a lost, so will upload somemore images which will hopefully help show what I am doing.
I have purchased a Netgear Nighthawk AC1900 D7000V2, so will try again and completely remove the Fritzbox and see if the two will connect. However, as the Fritzboxes are newer, I might have to sell both the netgear ones. I don't want to though :( as I really want to include them into my home mesh network.
Any ideas or thoughts would be great.
Thank you
Hi Jcyshin
Jcyshin wrote:
...
3) 2nd attempt at the Genie App `interface, I chose 'No' and went through the settings myself. Within the Genie App I left everything the same, didn't change the SSID, didn't change the password. The only thing I did was set the D6300 to 'AP Mode' under advance settings.
...
This is the only way to bring these xDSL routers to an AP configuration, being on the D6300 or on the D7000v2. (Documented in the RT*M for the D6300 p.99 ff. resp. the D7000v2 p.91 ff.). The "captured" Genie Assistant is made for establishing a router config on this xDSL router, probably even only for the ADSL, VDSL, VDSL2, ... Internet connection (otherwise the connected "Internet" relsp special LAN port 4 on the D7000v2 port would be recognized and it would be set-up as a NAT router). At that point, the designated Ethernet interface for the AP operation is the one shown in the RT*M, marked WAN.
One would expect it is able to get an IP config from the Ethernet connected Fritz router, and you should be able to reach the Web interface on that IP address from your normal LAN or WLAN.
Ignore the partial misleading "10. To reconnect, close and restart your browser and enter http://www_routerlogin_net. " - this can only work if the (plain text) DNS query does pass that device, eg. while you are connected to the Dxxx WLAN.
Jcyshin wrote:
5) I then unplugged the LAN Cable above and tried to see if it would work as a wireless AP or not.
This is where your misconception does start: A Wireless Access Point (AP) is by common definition always a bridge between the wireless and the wired network - it must be always connected to a wired network. You can't disconnect a "normal" from the wired network - it won't become magically a wireless repeater, or Mesh member of your proprietary AVM Fritzbox 7590 (MeshMaster) system (nor any other Mesh system like a Netgear Orbi, Orbi Pro, ...) and act like a Fritzbox 7490(Mesh Repeater/AP). It is what it is with this "third usage" config: A Wireless AP.
The same applies if you run your D7000v2 as a xDSL modem and router. The D6300 can only be connected as a wired Wireless Access Point. And yes, unfortunately has missed the opportunity for adding Mesh funtionality to older WiFI devices.
Thank you schumaku olympos1625 plemans for your patience and explaination.
I have now asertained that both the D6300 and the D7000V2 are not going to be able to be intergrated into my current AVM Fritzbox Mesh, and the fact that these routers are slower than my current mesh, I will sell the lot and get a better router in total with an up to date mesh cability built in :)
Thank you all once again.
Kind regards
Joe
Dear Joe,
Jcyshin wrote:
I have now asertained that both the D6300 and the D7000V2 are not going to be able to be intergrated into my current AVM Fritzbox Mesh, ...
Whatever "Mesh" means. Not really Netgear's mistake here: Most vendors implement proprietary standards for the interconnection and the management. Very few real-world products implement the Wi-Fi EasyMesh standard - Netgear does on the Nighthawk Mesh system for example.
Jcyshin wrote:
...the fact that these routers are slower than my current mesh, ...
Gee, the D6300 is an ADSL2+ modem/router from 2014, combined with a 802.11ac dual radio with 1300 Mb/s 3x3 on 5 GHz, and 300 Mb/s 2x2 on 2.4 GHz. the D7000v2 is a renewed VDSL2 modem/router from mid 2015, combined with a 802.11ac dual radio with 1600 Mb/s 3x3 on 5 GHz, and 300 Mb/s 2x2 on 2.4 GHz, VDSL2 profiles: 8a, 8b, 8c, 8d, 12a, 12b, and 17a (this translates to a max of 100 Mb/s on the two-wire link. Granted, the newer Fritz!Box 7590 does include support supervectoring, adding profile 35b (ITU-T G.993.2 Annex Q) so allowing 300 Mb/s on the two wire, doubling the bandwidth from 17 MHz to 35 MHz. Responsible ISPs starting the deployment of G.fast at the same time, making use of 106 MHz resp. up to 212 MHz on the two wire, so the demand for the fast VDSL2 was limited where the ISP were hanging back behind time on technology - Taiwan or Switzerland ISPs push out G.fast in favour over "fast" VDSL2 since around 2015 and 2016 for example, bringing downlink between 500 Mb/s and beyond of 1 Gb/s ... making people rethink for a longer time about these always compareable slow wireless Mesh stuff.
Jcyshin wrote:
I will sell the lot and get a better router in total with an up to date mesh cability built in :)
The only option for proprietary Mesh systems is adding proprietary satellites/routers in pure bridge mode from the same vendor - and typically using the same class resp. model resp. wireless technology of devices. Said all that above: I'd look into the complete picture before adding yet another compareable "old" tech device. With faster Internet connection probably out there near to your entrance footstep, or in the next ISP enclosure ....
Regards,
-Kurt