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I bought this router/extender 3.5 months ago. Every single month so far, it shut down my internet access and the only way to get it back was to load that **bleep** app on my phone. As soon as I loade...
Vas_Vadum wrote:
1. The router, doesn't matter. It does. Many routers have issues with extenders. Spectrum has a few that are known for issues and don't work with extenders. And some specific ones are locked down to using their own mesh systems and cause issues with extenders. Its why we ask. And I've asked more than once. Its pointless to troubleshoot an extender for a junk router.
2. An unreliable main router can cause issues, yes. It would disconnect and my network would be down too. A properly designed extender, would re-check every x seconds or minutes if the network is back online, and then re-initiate things so that the connection is restored once the network is back online or the main router has been rebooted.
3. As explained. I've already factory reset it, twice. There is no "uncheck the 2.4GHz" option as I last remember---then you didn't look very close or don't remember correctly. I've used that version and I've recommended this option to many others with success because 2.4ghz is unreliable for a backhaul. , and even if there was, I need it because some devices are still 2.4GHz dependent.----I understand this. It doesn't shut down the 2.4ghz network. It just doesn't use it for failover for the backhaul. As I explained prior. I have the network names separated, so I can choose to connect to 2.4 or 5. I always connect to 5. Nor would this explain why the mobile app is required to use the extender.
4. I have no access to the main router, it is in my dad's house and he won't let me near it. Only gave me the password to the network so I can connect things in this house.---Its in a different house? How far away is this extender from the primary router? In a different building? exterior walls are great at blocking wifi and causing all kinds of issues. And distance can be an issue as well. Just because it can pickup a signal, doesn't mean its strong enough to be userful or extended. Another pertinent detail that wasn't given.
5. The extender no longer has an IP address. I explained that it is just gone. It defaults to the xfinity IP address 10.0.0.1, and loads the xfinity login page. I can't get the extender's local IP. I tried various things to try and find it. Yes, I am absolutely for a fact 100% certain that I am connected to the extender and not the main router, as I have named the network "NAME_EXT_5GHz" and am connected to that.
Lastly, before I factory reset it this last time and lost the local IP access, I was on the local IP access to the extender when the network wouldn't connect. I didn't have any way to gain access to the internet from inside that interface. I loaded the app on mobile, and suddenly the network came back.
If I can find out how to gain access to the IP of the extender again, I'll get a screenshot of the status page minus any personal information. I'll try to find a way to get a list of every single IP of every device connected and see if any of them are the extender under some new hidden name of some kind since the factory reset. If I must factory reset again, I will get screencaps or a recording showing the setup process, minus the personal information such as network name. My extender's IP is 10.0.0.215, but nothing comes up when I load that. I can't access the extender's page anymore.
I can see why you're having issues. You don't seem to be very good at giving all the details and don't give the ones you don't think are pertinent. Even though you have issues, you are deciding what needs to be known. And you're hostile in your replies to those who are trying to help. It disinclines me from wanting to help you. Again, this is in my own free time. I'm not going to fight you for details. I'm just going to bow out.
1.a. Its been forwarding internet just fine for months. I had a TP link before that which forwarded the internet just fine for 2 years. Clearly its compatible with extenders.
1.b. My problem has nothing to do with the extender forwarding the connection from the router. It is the extender shutting down internet access until I load the android app.
3. I don't believe its using 2.4Ghz as a failover. As I said, I set it up with different network names. _EXT for 2.4, _EXT_5GHz for 5. I connect specifically to the 5GHz. And it doesn't explain 1.b.
4. The signal is fine. Its roughly 20-30 feet, somewhere in that range. I get great signal. My extender hangs in the window while the router in the other house is on the wall closest to mine. The internet when working is at a reliable high speed of 200Mbit down 20Mbit up, the connection's maximum. Stable, low ping. 100 packets out of 100 packets, no loss, all packets between 20ms and 35ms. I didn't give this detail, because it has absolutely nothing to do with 1.b.
Absolutely none of the details you've asked for, explain why the extender only works if I use the android application to connect to the extender when the internet won't resume. I decided those details weren't pertinent, because everyone will say "Oh thats why its because you're doing it wrong!" when that is false. Everyone looks for the easy way out, to say "oh yep thats the problem, you're too far! Its the walls! Its the model being incompatible!" No. None of those are the case. This is now two different models of main router that my extender has connected to. Both of them connect and function just fine. With plenty of signal strength to keep up with the speed and latency I need for gaming with people or streaming my games to twitch which I do on a regular basis.
The only issue I'm having, that I came here for, is the fact that the extender flat out disables my network every so often, until I load the android app. Nothing can bring the connection back. No matter how often i reboot the extender, no matter what I do, nothing in the house can connect anymore unless I load the android app. The very seconds I connect using the Nighthawk app on my android phone, to the router via WLAN, every single device in the house begins to work again. You cannot tell me its the distance. You cannot tell me its the main router being incompatible. There is absolutely no reason this should be happening unless its been programmed into the extender to do this.
I have explained it, countless times, and you look for reasons that aren't related to the problem. Why would range make the extender require an android app? Why would the model of router I connect to make the extender need the android app? Why would the extender's Local IP vanish and remove my access to the web setup information so I can no longer use anything except the android app to control the extender, an app which can't because it still says the extender is unconfigured because I didn't configure it using the app.
Focus on that, and none of the other things. I decided they aren't relevant, because they aren't. They simply can't be. The location of the extender and the location of the main router are close enough to have strong signal between each other and has worked for years with a TP Link extender which didn't force me to use an android app to connect my house to the internet.
Explain to me why I need the app to make the extender function.
P.S. The hostility is the fact that people kept being hostile towards me whenever I ask for network support. They blame everything that isn't the problem. They tell me this or that, when I confirmed its not. They don't care. They see something they themselves don't like and blame it on that. Like you said, different house, must be the range or the walls. I thoroughly explained exactly what my problem is. I leave details out, because people find a detail to focus on rather than what is really going on.
Focus on that, and none of the other things. I decided they aren't relevant, because they aren't.
Good luck then. Hopefully someone else will help. We're the ones helping you to troubleshoot. Not vice versa. I'll spend my time helping someone who appreciates it and is willing to give the informationa politely asked for more than once.