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How to avoid subnet with JWNR2010v5
hello, I have now read countless threads about this, but this seems to not work whatever I do. I have bought a JWNR2010v5 and I would like to use it as a second access point to extend my wireless ...
downgraded firmware to v54 -- everything works as expected now!
the 403 Forbidden bug was quite annoying and, I guess, was what made me stray from the suggested steps in the tutorial.
> [...] I have now read countless threads about this, [...]
Think, for a moment, about how little useful information that
non-description conveys to the non-psychics in your audience.
> I have bought a JWNR2010v5 and I would like to use it as a second
> access point [...]
Ok. You need to configure your JWNR2010v5 as a wireless access
point. According to its User Manual, it doesn't have a convenient
option to do that.
> CASE A)
It's still a router, which is not what you want.
> CASE B)
> main router connected to LAN port of Netgear, DHCP for Netgear
> disabled.
That's closer.
> Netgear is NOT happy since it does not see internet access.
What, exactly, does "NOT happy" mean to you, and how, exactly, did
you decide that "does not see internet access" (whatever that means) is
the reason?
It's not obvious to me why your "CASE B)" does not work.
There's a detailed procedure for configuring (almost?) any wireless
router as a WAP here:
https://community.netgear.com/t5/x/x/m-p/1463500
That's written for a Netgear C6300-as-WAP, but the steps are about the
same for any other router (any make/model) which lacks a one-step WAP
option. But the essence is disable the DHCP server, and use a LAN port.
I know nothing, but I can imagine that the JWNR2010v5 firmware has
some defect/quirk which affects only its wireless client devices.
> Think, for a moment, about how little useful information that
> non-description conveys to the non-psychics in your audience.
my first sentence was only to say that I am not a complete newbie who comes to the forums for easy help without having tried anything first, but rather I've spent several days reading through any thread I could find and I've wasted a full day trying to make it work.
sorry if that was not clear.
> Ok. You need to configure your JWNR2010v5 as a wireless access
> point. According to its User Manual, it doesn't have a convenient
> option to do that.
that's fine, I am willing to painstakingly set up everything as needed.
> What, exactly, does "NOT happy" mean to you, and how, exactly, did
> you decide that "does not see internet access" (whatever that means) is
> the reason?
since the ethernet cable going to my main router is connected to the LAN port, the WAN port is empty.
the Netgear complains a lot about that, and insists quite often that I re-do the entire setup wizard.
I do not think the Netgear is happy about having an empty WAN port.
also, with an empty WAN port, the Netgear does not pick up an IP address from my main router's DHCP server.
> It's not obvious to me why your "CASE B)" does not work.
> There's a detailed procedure for configuring (almost?) any wireless
> router as a WAP here:
that's exactly what I have read and followed.
> But the essence is disable the DHCP server, and use a LAN port.
I thought so too, but there are a couple of issues:
- the Netgear does not pick up an IP address from my main router, which might be expected but is certainly weird to me (no Netgear dashboard in this config),
- the wired clients are correctly switched to the DHCP of the main router and pick up an address,
- the wireless clients are not switched to the DHCP and never pick up an address.
> I know nothing, but I can imagine that the JWNR2010v5 firmware has
> some defect/quirk which affects only its wireless client devices.
for the record, I bought this Netgear and it had firmware V1.1.0.62_1.0.1 by default, while online the official Netgear product page says the last version is v54.
anyway, I fear there might be some bug in the firmware preventing this operation at all!
it feels like the Netgear still advertises itself as DNS even though I disabled the DHCP, and therefore, since it has no knowledge of the main router's DHCP or network, cannot do anything at all and gets stuck in limbo.
I did post another reply but it got lost somehow.
anyway, thanks for helping out!
> [...] sorry if that was not clear.
I got the opposite impression.
> [...] with an empty WAN port, the Netgear does not pick up an IP
> address from my main router's DHCP server.That's to be expected. On the models/versions which offer the
one-step WAP option, using DHCP is the default ("Get dynamically from
existing router"). With the ad-hoc scheme, you need to assign its LAN
interface a static IP address, which is the primary complicating factor
in that procedure.> it feels like the Netgear still advertises itself as DNS even though I
> disabled the DHCP, and therefore, since it has no knowledge of the main
> router's DHCP or network, cannot do anything at all and gets stuck in
> limbo.Ask a client device what it's using? I know nothing, but I wouldn't
be amazed if it intercepted DNS requests, and then mishandled them.
> anyway, thanks for helping out!Wish I could do more. I've seen scheme this work on more than a few
old-junk routers, but it can be defeated by quirky firmware. And, in my
book, at least, works-for-wired and fails-for-wireless qualifies as
quirky.> That's to be expected. On the models/versions which offer the
> one-step WAP option, using DHCP is the default ("Get dynamically from
> existing router"). With the ad-hoc scheme, you need to assign its LAN
> interface a static IP address, which is the primary complicating factor
> in that procedure.I guess that is the problem.
my main router creates a classic LAN subnet on 192.168.1.0/24.
if I connect the Netgear to my main router (WAN port), then the Netgear will get an IP through DHCP (e.g. 192.168.1.100) and will prevent me from setting a non-DHCP static IP address for it, for example 192.168.1.253, since its LAN address and WAN address are overlapping.
in other guides I've read that there might be a prompt warning about the overlap, and to just click through it, but in my case the prompt is a blocking error and the settings are not changed.
so I guess I have to first set this up without connecting to the main router, and I'm pretty sure I did that in my several tries.
I've set a static IP for the Netgear at 192.168.1.253.
still, even after a reboot, I do not see the Netgear in my main router's devices list.
at the same time, I cannot connect to my Netgear at 192.168.1.253:8080 (which is the default Remote Management port to get the web dashboard from outside of the Netgear's net).
this tells me that the Netgear does not reserve the IP I've chosen for it, just like it wouldn't ask for it if I let DHCP settings on and connected the main router to the LAN, not WAN port.
I have a feeling that the DHCP vs static IP address settings in the "WAN" settings of the Netgear do just that, that is, reflect on the WAN port only.
no WAN port cable? no point in setting those up.
you connect the LAN cable only? then the wired clients are physically switched into the same net, but the wireless clients have a poorly designed Netgear box doing nothing for them since it seems an empty WAN port and probably gets stuck because of that.
still, as I was saying, I've read countless threads of people doing just this (AP mode on JWNR2010v5) so I'm sure someone will know whether this is feasible or not.
> Ask a client device what it's using? I know nothing, but I wouldn't
> be amazed if it intercepted DNS requests, and then mishandled them.I'm not even sure, because clients will not get an IP, and I don't think they will get a DNS.
I will definitely try again, but this feels impossible with the advanced panel I've seen so far.
:(
> I guess that is the problem.
_What_ is? The fact that you need to follow the procedure provided,
and not just improvise some stuff which "feels" good?> my main router creates a classic LAN subnet on 192.168.1.0/24.
Expected.
> if I connect the Netgear to my main router (WAN port), [...]
Huh? An Ethernet cable has two ends. What, exactly, are you
connecting to what, exactly? (Hint: If a device has different types of
Ethernet ports, then "connected to device" is not enough detail.)> [...] then the Netgear will get an IP through DHCP (e.g.
> 192.168.1.100) [...]If you connect the JWNR2010v5 WAN/Internet port to a LAN port on the
main router, then the JWNR2010v5 WAN/Internet interface would typically
get an IP _address_ using DHCP. Which is not what you want.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Protocol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address> so I guess I have to first set this up without connecting to the main
> router, and I'm pretty sure I did that in my several tries.Did you read and follow the procedure in the thread cited above? I'm
pretty sure that I don't know what you did.> I've set a static IP for the Netgear at 192.168.1.253.
_Which_ IP _address_ did you set, how? A router like the JWNR2010v5
has _two_ IP addresses: LAN and WAN/Internet.> [...] I cannot connect to my Netgear at 192.168.1.253:8080 (which is
> the default Remote Management port to get the web dashboard from outside
> of the Netgear's net).
When you do _what_, exactly, _where_, exactly? "cannot" is not a
useful problem description. It does not say what you did. It does not
say what happened when you did it. As usual, showing actual actions
(commands) with their actual results (error messages, LED indicators,
...) can be more helpful than vague descriptions or interpretations."Remote Management" is used for access from the WAN/Internet side of
the router. If you're configuring the JWNR2010v5 as a WAP, then you
don't use its WAN/Internet side, only its LAN side.> this tells me that the Netgear does not reserve the IP I've chosen for
> it, [...]I don't know what the means. What it tells me is that you seem not
to be following the instructions.> I have a feeling that the DHCP vs static IP address settings in the
> "WAN" settings of the Netgear do just that, that is, reflect on the WAN
> port only.
Well, duh. Is there anything in the instructions which says to set
anything related to the WAN/Internet interface of the router-as-WAP?> no WAN port cable? no point in setting those up.
Exactly.
> you connect the LAN cable only? [...]
What does "the LAN cable" mean to you? Which part of the following
was unclear?:[...] Connect an Ethernet cable from a LAN port on "The AT&T
router" to a LAN port on the C6300. [...]> I will definitely try again, but this feels impossible with the
> advanced panel I've seen so far.You might try following the instructions (for a change?), and relying
less on "feelings". Just a thought.