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Encrypting to Amazon Sync
So I finally got my Amazon Sync working and it's currently uploading my first 1TB. Yay!! However, I got to thinking about security. There's a clause in the amazon terms of use that says they can ...
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I want to use a cloud backup because it's offsite. I'm backing up important family things like photos and family documents. Nothing hugely interesting to someone specifically targeting me, but valuable to someone who gets my data as let of a larger breach.
I'm not a business, this is just for home use so I do not really want to buy another nas and put it in a data center on the other side of the country. I'm confident in my local backup solution, but what if my house burns down, I would hate to lose all that stuff.
I would just use readynas vault, but I'm looking for a more cost effective solution. 2tb with the vault is $40 per month where Amazon is $60 per year. Huge difference.
Maybe I just need to be less of a cheap **bleep** and pony up for readynas vault....
I want to use a cloud backup because it's offsite. I'm backing up important family things like photos and family documents. Nothing hugely interesting to someone specifically targeting me, but valuable to someone who gets my data as let of a larger breach.
I'm not a business, this is just for home use so I do not really want to buy another nas and put it in a data center on the other side of the country. I'm confident in my local backup solution, but what if my house burns down, I would hate to lose all that stuff.
I would just use readynas vault, but I'm looking for a more cost effective solution. 2tb with the vault is $40 per month where Amazon is $60 per year. Huge difference.
Maybe I just need to be less of a cheap **bleep** and pony up for readynas vault....
Sync isn't really a backup anyway, since any problem with the NAS files ends up being applied in the Amazon Cloud
Crashplan would also cost $60 per year for a single device (unlimited storage). It is encrypted.
It is possible to to install it on x86 NAS with ssh, or you can install it on a PC or Mac and map the NAS data volume to a network drive. The latter is simpler of course.
Crash plan looks interesting. My only hesitation is that I'm super lazy. I tend to prefer out of the box solutions that don't require me to instlal weird software. I can't really rely on installing it on a desktop so I'd have to install it on the NAS directly. I'm sure it's not supper difficult, but still not out of the box and so nobody will want to fix it if it's not working. where as if i keep everythign with netgear, they're insentivized to get it all working since it's all their product. It is tempting though.
vrspectre: we meant to post this earlier, but somehow must have made an error in uploading.
In response to your comparison of ReadyNAS Vault and Amazon's Cloud Drive sync option...
1. These aren't exactly apples to apples solutions, though both can be used for many similar purposes. One key difference you've already highlighted in this thread is that data is encrypted at rest with RNV. Meaning, the files are all encrypted on your device and never decrypted until they are returned to an authenticated device. Additionally, you have the option of using Personal Keys that the RNV service does not have access to (warning: if you use this option and lose/forget your passphrase, RNV cannot help you recover your data). There are several other features/function (e.g. granular control over backup rules, versioning/archiving, appropriate handling of attached devices, etc...) but those may not even matter for this case.
2. We hear you loud and clear on the price. Amazon's one price fits all seems designed to attract many users with the knowledge that some users (like those with 2 TB of data) will be "loss leaders." RNV has a variety of different plans that are built to cater to specific needs - perhaps one of our Personal plans will work. Or maybe our sales team can provide a discount - please check in at support@vault.readynas.com and reference this thread. The team will try to find the most economical plan for your use case and may be able to save you money.Hope this helps in the evaluation process.
>>It is possible to to install it on x86 NAS with ssh, or you can install it on a PC or Mac and map the NAS data volume to a network drive. The latter is simpler of course.
As others have posted, crashplan not supported in headless mode. Interestingly they do not support using Windows as a client using mapped drives to backup a NAS. Although they provide an unsupported workaround by installing ONLY in user mode, when the crashplan service is not installed.
http://support.code42.com/CrashPlan/4/Backup/Backing_Up_A_Windows_Network_Drive
Support is always a nebulous thing, and often a moving target. You think you are supported, until support tells you, you are not. You warranty and spport have expired, but you get great "support" through a community forum. Thanks guys!
cathcam wrote:
As others have posted, crashplan not supported in headless mode.
This is true, though I have used crashplan support with good results several times over the years even though I use headless mode. They won't help with the install itself (though I wasn't needing that). But they did work to resolve my problems without fuss. Of course their business model is different from Netgear's (they get an ongoing revenue stream from their customers).
cathcam wrote:
Interestingly they do not support using Windows as a client using mapped drives to backup a NAS. Although they provide an unsupported workaround by installing ONLY in user mode, when the crashplan service is not installed.
http://support.code42.com/CrashPlan/4/Backup/Backing_Up_A_Windows_Network_DriveIt is a bit odd - and perhaps there are historical reasons - they do support this mode in OSX. With older versions of Windows it is a bit harder to do.
Though if I ever need to reinstall crashplan, I likely will switch to this mode.
Just wanted to respond to the post comparing the ReadyNAS Vault (RNV) and the Amazon Cloud Drive and pricing (felt obliged to hop in when RNV was brought up)...
1. These aren't exactly apples to apples solutions, though both can be used for many similar purposes. One key difference, highlighted in this thread, is that the data is encrypted at rest with RNV. Meaning, the files are all encrypted on your device and never decrypted until they are returned to an authenticated device. Additionally, you have the option of using Personal Keys that the RNV service does not have access to (warning: if you use this option and lose/forget the passphrase, RNV cannot help you recover the data). There are several other features/function (e.g. granular control over backup rules, versioning/archiving, appropriate handling of attached devices, etc...) but those may not even matter for this use case.
2. We hear you loud and clear on the price . Amazon's one price fits all is designed to attract many users, likely with the knowledge that some users (like those with very large data sets, say NAS users) will be loss leaders. RNV has a variety of different plans that are built to cater to specific needs - perhaps one of our Personal plans will work for? Or maybe our sales team can provide a discount - please check in at support@vault.readynas.com and reference this link. The team will try to find the most economical plan for your use case and may be able to save you money.
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