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WildPhydeaux
Apr 26, 2022Tutor
Move to new NAS
I'm having some pretty bad luck with a couple aging Readynas Pro Pioneer. One is very likely dead. The other is in a bad way. I haven't totally given up on it yet and will try my best with the help fr...
- May 11, 2022Just a quick note to close the loop on this thread.
The "stone dead" RN lives on... It was bad memory on this box as well. Hard to believe but of the four memory modules in two boxes, three were bad or chose the moment I replaced the PS to go bad. I've seen bad memory prevent booting but never seen it prevent even triggering the PS on. In any case, fresh memory immediately allowed it to start.
Both RNs are now running, are fully synched, have several terabytes of data and have not been the least bit unstable.
Oddly, one of them constantly reports that its UPS has been disconnected then immediately reports it being plugged in and it's a "new" UPS. Like 50 time per day. Swapping cables, swapping UPS's, using different USB ports etc makes no difference at all. But that's another thread perhaps.
Thanks to you both for your patience, assistance and valuable input.
Cheers,
Robert
StephenB
Apr 26, 2022Guru - Experienced User
New ReadyNAS are very hard to find, and often overpriced. Many here suspect Netgear is exiting the NAS business - no new platforms in 5 years, no new software features in some time, and the lack of inventory tend to support that theory. Though Netgear hasn't said.
If your NAS are running 4.2.x firmware, than an x86 OS-6 ReadyNAS (RN300 series or higher) will mount your data volumes as read-only, in order to let you offload data. But it needs to reformat the disks after that, since the OS 6 ReadyNAS use a completely different file system.
If your NAS are converted to run OS-6, then you could directly migrate to any OS-6 ReadyNAS with enough bays.
If you can connect the disks to a Linux PC (perhaps with a multi-bay enclosure), then you could mount the data volume, since the NAS uses standard software RAID tools. A Windows or Mac PC could also access the data using RAID recovery software (which might be required anyway, given the issues you are seeing). R-Studio is one option there. https://www.r-studio.com/
Sandshark
Apr 26, 2022Sensei - Experienced User
So what are the symptoms of the two NAS? The usual culprit is the power supply. They're good, but still only designed for a PC, which few keep around as long as the Pro Pioneer has been out. If you have a standard ATX12V supply rated at least 350W, you can connect it externally and see if that fixes it. If it does, a standard SFX supply with a couple cable adapters works great as a replacement. Some even have a temperature-controlled fan, so run more quiet.
A Pro Pioneer, especially with an upgraded CPU, memory, and OS6, is still quite a viable home use NAS even without a lot of Netgear support, in large part because of this forum.
- WildPhydeauxApr 26, 2022TutorOk, bear with me here and I'll try to keep this as short as I can while still providing the background and events that led to where I'm at.
I have a primary RN and a backup RN. A couple months back I noted the backup RN was unresponsive and reboots didn't help. With help from the forum and Stephen's in particular later, I was able to get the firmware refreshed and diagnose three disks with rising errors. It would run but eventually hang so I couldn't use it or copy anything off of it and I didn't have the money to purchase three new disks. I also replaced the PS on this NAS because it seemed like an easy thing to refresh and cross off the trouble list. I eventually just yanked the three disks and rebuilt it fresh but hadn't yet backed up anything from the primary. The other day a friend gave me three drives matching the size of those in this backup RN and I added them but had not yet started a backup. Famous stupid decision...
Because in the meantime for several months I had noted alerts on the primary RN that one of the disks has 51 errors. Again, lack of money for a replacement 8tb drive had me biting my nails. Finally I was able to purchase a replacement drive and thought I would also refresh the PS. After replacing the PS that system won't power on at all, not even with another known-working PS on the bench. No lights, no nothing just totally unresponsive. This needs more investigation but its not looking good.
So, I pulled the drives out of the backup RN and put the primary drives in it. It booted and seemed ok so I swapped the bad disk with the new one and in started to resync. The next day I noted it was hung at 75% or so. Sometimes it would boot sometimes it wouldn't. Sometimes with the new disk, sometimes not. I tried putting the old errored disk in and it started resyncing that, then failed a 5%, hung. Realizing the firmware on the disks is older than the firmware on the backup RN, I eventually was able to get to the boot menu and reinstall the OS. It failed a couple times and hung a couple times and often I couldn't get to the boot menu, it just stuck on the display showing Readynas. But eventually it did it all like it should and came up seemingly ok. But it still hangs when resyncing. And in fact if I try to pull data from it via backup software on PC on the network, it hangs within 5-15 minutes. I'm doing this with neither the bad disk or replacement in place, so it's flashing degraded all the time.
Sorry this was long winded, but worthwhile I think for you to know the sad saga.
I've done a bit of a google for replacement Netgear boxes and agree they are rare and unreasonably priced. The idea of finding a chassis to take the disks and use Linux to mount them if only to be able to backup is a great one but I would need some serious assistance with that. I have a Linux Mint workstation but would an external multi disk chassis work, even a USB one? I'm not sure what to look for. That software mentioned is also affordable but not sure if that suggestion is part of the Linux idea or an alternate.
Sorry to ramble. I'm stressed. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
Robert- WildPhydeauxApr 27, 2022TutorOne question I have is what systems does OS6 use, is it ZFS? Would ZFS recognize the members of the RN volume and make it accessible?
Thanks,
Robert- StephenBApr 27, 2022Guru - Experienced User
WildPhydeaux wrote:
One question I have is what systems does OS6 use, is it ZFS? Would ZFS recognize the members of the RN volume and make it accessible?The file system is btrfs, which runs on top of software RAID (mdadm).
I haven't used Linux Mint, but if you can install mdadm and btrfs on it, then you should be able to mount the array.
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