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Hi, I have just wasted HOURS trying to compose and post a question, which is VERY complicated for me but the answer may be simple for those who may - eventually - see my question, because 'authen...
Hi FramerV,
Thanks for your reply & offer to move my post to the right forum area. If you think you could take either my whole post or my questions and some of the questions relevant 'background info' out of THIS posting to transfer it, you are welcome to do so, if that is possible.
I have now managed to 'solve' most (but not all) of the issues I was posting about:
i.e.
I used the 'WPS' buttons on the 'range extender' and then my 'modem/router' (within 2 minutes), which connected the 'range extender' to the modem/router and gave it an SSID that has, or can have a 'similar' name & network key.
This was done by connecting the range extender to a power socket very close to the modem/router to acheive the 'WPS button push route'.
It was a good thing my range extender has a WPS button because had not been able to connect to the 'set up' page for range extender using my smarthone/tablet - I do not have access to 'pc browser' to get to that page, & the browser on my mobile devices would not connect to the page.
I had always wondered what those buttons were for, and had not realised the range extender had this feature.
I have also discovered that (according to experts on a 'Samsung forum') I should not have had the range extender so close (within 5 inches, because of power socket location) to my Smart TV, because a range extender is supposed to be 'half-way' between the modem/router & 'the device that needs to connect to' the range extender.
Anyway, I was not aware of this so moved the range extender to a power socket outside my bedroom door (coincidentally about halfway between the modem/router & tv) & the tv now connects over wifi, but the speed is still too slow for youtube & the other 'smart tv apps' that actually work.
Unfortunately the ethernet port on the range extender only allows an ethernet connection to the TV, and still uses WiFi to connect the range extender (which is too slow in its' new location, & doesn't want to work at all right next to the TV) to the modem/router, so I am now using a pair of netgear powerline plugs (85mbps) to connect the Smart TV to the modem/router.
My living room is quite small (as is my bedroom) & the Max (straight line) distance between my modem/router & Smart TV is less 30 feet (with a solid, but thin stone/concrete wall in between them). I hope this method will prove to be 'fast enough' for 'streaming'. Time will tell.
My smartphone/tablet (when in bedroom) now gets a much better 'signal strength symbol' for longer, when connected via the range extender, than when trying to connect via the modem/router.
I have no idea how long the 'route by copper wire' is from the first 'powerline plug' (connected by ethernet cable to modem/router) is to the other one connected to my smart TV, but other experts have stated (elsewhere) that any device connected by ethernet cable to a modem/router either via an ethernet switch, powerline plug, range extender, or wireless access point will receive or transmit 'data' slower than if connected DIRECTLY to the modem/router ethernet ports.
I have no idea what 'data throughput speed' is possible from my modem/router at home via 'internal domestic copper line power circuits' when used with my old 85mbps powerline plugs when my current broadband speed is supposedly only 8.8mbps (according to my ISP), and just how this will relate to what 'speed' I will actually get in my bedroom whether for Smart TV via powerline, and Smartphone or Tablet via range extender, I also have no idea (I will have to find a website that checks broadband speeds, that I can use on my smartphone/tablet & smart tv browser - if it appears to be too slow) but I hope it will be fast enough.
Does any UK BASED expert on this forum know to calculate what the maximum data throughput capability is likely to be of the average UK domestic copper line power circuit in a small 4 room flat with a maximum internal footprint of about 23 foot by 23 foot?
Being that my 'download speed' (directly from the modem/router) is supposedly '8.8mbps' (according to my ISP), does anyone on this forum know whether the speed I should reasonably expect (whatever that is) ought to be fast enough to download a (SD or HD) movie or tv show at reasonable speed - say 2-3 minutes per hour of SD video (in my bedroom either via powerline plug or range extender)?
What is 'minimum required speed' for this anyway?
Being that my range extender is a 'V1H2' model version of a WN3000RP ranger extender, does anyone on this forum know what its actual speed should be?
Should I have any problem (except for possible compatibilty issues) using my XET1001 85mbps powerline plugs & ranger extender, with current netgear powerline plugs - the SLOWEST of which I can find near me are 'PL1000' models which are rated at '1000mbps'?
Being that 'fibre optic broadband' via fibre 'to premises' or 'to street cabinets' in this whole country (never mind that where I actually live fibre optic broadband is NOT available at all -yet) is unlikey to actually get anywhere near or exceed even 'N300' speeds in next few years (unless it is possibly delivered without use of 'street cabinets', as in the case of Virgin Media fibre optic cable) I fail to see why domestic market powerline plugs, range extenders, broadband modems and/or wired/wireless routers & wireless access points are now available at 'speeds' of well over 1200mbps! That is 'future proofing' taken to a ridiculous extreme, when these items cost so much money (compared to the cheapest items that are plenty fast enough) and are not needed in 'the average home'.
Thanks
Bob
🙂
Thanks for your reply & offer to move my post to the right forum area. If you think you could take either my whole post or my questions and some of the questions relevant 'background info' out of THIS posting to transfer it, you are welcome to do so, if that is possible.
I have now managed to 'solve' most (but not all) of the issues I was posting about:
i.e.
I used the 'WPS' buttons on the 'range extender' and then my 'modem/router' (within 2 minutes), which connected the 'range extender' to the modem/router and gave it an SSID that has, or can have a 'similar' name & network key.
This was done by connecting the range extender to a power socket very close to the modem/router to acheive the 'WPS button push route'.
It was a good thing my range extender has a WPS button because had not been able to connect to the 'set up' page for range extender using my smarthone/tablet - I do not have access to 'pc browser' to get to that page, & the browser on my mobile devices would not connect to the page.
I had always wondered what those buttons were for, and had not realised the range extender had this feature.
I have also discovered that (according to experts on a 'Samsung forum') I should not have had the range extender so close (within 5 inches, because of power socket location) to my Smart TV, because a range extender is supposed to be 'half-way' between the modem/router & 'the device that needs to connect to' the range extender.
Anyway, I was not aware of this so moved the range extender to a power socket outside my bedroom door (coincidentally about halfway between the modem/router & tv) & the tv now connects over wifi, but the speed is still too slow for youtube & the other 'smart tv apps' that actually work.
Unfortunately the ethernet port on the range extender only allows an ethernet connection to the TV, and still uses WiFi to connect the range extender (which is too slow in its' new location, & doesn't want to work at all right next to the TV) to the modem/router, so I am now using a pair of netgear powerline plugs (85mbps) to connect the Smart TV to the modem/router.
My living room is quite small (as is my bedroom) & the Max (straight line) distance between my modem/router & Smart TV is less 30 feet (with a solid, but thin stone/concrete wall in between them). I hope this method will prove to be 'fast enough' for 'streaming'. Time will tell.
My smartphone/tablet (when in bedroom) now gets a much better 'signal strength symbol' for longer, when connected via the range extender, than when trying to connect via the modem/router.
I have no idea how long the 'route by copper wire' is from the first 'powerline plug' (connected by ethernet cable to modem/router) is to the other one connected to my smart TV, but other experts have stated (elsewhere) that any device connected by ethernet cable to a modem/router either via an ethernet switch, powerline plug, range extender, or wireless access point will receive or transmit 'data' slower than if connected DIRECTLY to the modem/router ethernet ports.
I have no idea what 'data throughput speed' is possible from my modem/router at home via 'internal domestic copper line power circuits' when used with my old 85mbps powerline plugs when my current broadband speed is supposedly only 8.8mbps (according to my ISP), and just how this will relate to what 'speed' I will actually get in my bedroom whether for Smart TV via powerline, and Smartphone or Tablet via range extender, I also have no idea (I will have to find a website that checks broadband speeds, that I can use on my smartphone/tablet & smart tv browser - if it appears to be too slow) but I hope it will be fast enough.
Does any UK BASED expert on this forum know to calculate what the maximum data throughput capability is likely to be of the average UK domestic copper line power circuit in a small 4 room flat with a maximum internal footprint of about 23 foot by 23 foot?
Being that my 'download speed' (directly from the modem/router) is supposedly '8.8mbps' (according to my ISP), does anyone on this forum know whether the speed I should reasonably expect (whatever that is) ought to be fast enough to download a (SD or HD) movie or tv show at reasonable speed - say 2-3 minutes per hour of SD video (in my bedroom either via powerline plug or range extender)?
What is 'minimum required speed' for this anyway?
Being that my range extender is a 'V1H2' model version of a WN3000RP ranger extender, does anyone on this forum know what its actual speed should be?
Should I have any problem (except for possible compatibilty issues) using my XET1001 85mbps powerline plugs & ranger extender, with current netgear powerline plugs - the SLOWEST of which I can find near me are 'PL1000' models which are rated at '1000mbps'?
Being that 'fibre optic broadband' via fibre 'to premises' or 'to street cabinets' in this whole country (never mind that where I actually live fibre optic broadband is NOT available at all -yet) is unlikey to actually get anywhere near or exceed even 'N300' speeds in next few years (unless it is possibly delivered without use of 'street cabinets', as in the case of Virgin Media fibre optic cable) I fail to see why domestic market powerline plugs, range extenders, broadband modems and/or wired/wireless routers & wireless access points are now available at 'speeds' of well over 1200mbps! That is 'future proofing' taken to a ridiculous extreme, when these items cost so much money (compared to the cheapest items that are plenty fast enough) and are not needed in 'the average home'.
Thanks
Bob
🙂
It will be hard to move this, since powerline and range extender products are in different forum areas. One thing that is clear, is that there is nothing here about ReadyNAS (the product line for this particular area).
thegoogleman wrote:
I have also discovered that (according to experts on a 'Samsung forum') I should not have had the range extender so close (within 5 inches, because of power socket location) to my Smart TV, because a range extender is supposed to be 'half-way' between the modem/router & 'the device that needs to connect to' the range extender.
Anyway, I was not aware of this so moved the range extender to a power socket outside my bedroom door (coincidentally about halfway between the modem/router & tv) & the tv now connects over wifi, but the speed is still too slow for youtube & the other 'smart tv apps' that actually work
Being that my range extender is a 'V1H2' model version of a WN3000RP ranger extender, does anyone on this forum know what its actual speed should be?.
Since all extenders relay the signal, you need to put it in a place where you get good reception from the Modem/Router, and where you also will get good signal quality at your devices. Given the small footprint, the range extender location shouldn't be that criticial. I suspect the concrete wall has rebar (iron/steel rods) inside - if so, that could explain the signal loss.
The manual for your extender is here: https://www.netgear.com/support/product/WN3000RP.aspx?cid=wmt_netgear_organic
It has a max link speed of 300 mbits. Real-world speed will be much less. Normally I'd expect about 5 megabytes per sec (~40 mbits) with 802.11n clients (and an 802.11n main router).
thegoogleman wrote:
so I am now using a pair of netgear powerline plugs (85mbps) to connect the Smart TV to the modem/router.
Like wifi, the speed you actually get is much less than the maximum link speed that is advertised. There's a lot of overhead, plus the real-world speed depends on circuit quality. In your specific case, it depends on whether the circuit breaker box is in the apartment or somewhere else (for instance the basement) - since the electrical path between the powerline plugs runs through the circuit breaker box.
I saw a review that measured about 500 KB/sec - which is about 4 mbits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fer20I3pVIE
Real-world speeds vary quite a bit, so use speedtest.net to measure what speeds you are getting (both through powerline and wifi). Perhaps post back with the results you see.
thegoogleman wrote:
I fail to see why domestic market powerline plugs, range extenders, broadband modems and/or wired/wireless routers & wireless access points are now available at 'speeds' of well over 1200mbps!
One issue is that the link speeds used in advertising are so much higher then than actual throughput. So 1200 mbps link speeds aren't as fast as they sound.
A second consideration is whether you have a file server (for instance a ReadyNAS) on your home network. That can easily use a full gigabit of network throughput.
Plus (with all due respect) your ISP speed is pretty slow. The slowest speed from my provider is 50 mbits. Many places enjoy hundreds of mbits or even gigabit ISP speeds.
thegoogleman wrote:
Does anyone on this forum know whether the speed I should reasonably expect (whatever that is) ought to be fast enough to download a (SD or HD) movie or tv show at reasonable speed - say 2-3 minutes per hour of SD video (in my bedroom either via powerline plug or range extender)?
A typical SD video bitrate is 1 mbit/s (perhaps 450 MB/hour). A typical 1080p video has a bitrate around 11-12 mbits per second - 720p is perhaps half that. These are 'typical downloads" - full bluray or DVD rips will be a lot bigger, some lower-quality content will be somewhat smaller.
At your full ISP speed, it would take about 6-7 minutes to download an hour of 1 mbit video, and about 80 minutes to download an hour of 12 mbit 1080p content. Perhaps 3 hours to download a full 1080p movie (depending on length).
You can stream an SD movie or even 720p from your ISP, but probably not 1080p.
The extender should keep up with your ISP speed. The powerline might not - you'll need to check with speedtest.
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