Ok I realize that once upon a time there were physical limits to volume size, Ive had the ReadyNAS, ReadyNAS+, And now have ReadyNAS Pro (6 bay) and a ReadyNAS Ultra6 and yet I am faced with STILL no support for increased drive sizes, 4TB, 6TB and 8TB and if I am reading correctly even if I cough up yet ANOTHER bundle of cash for a 316, or a 516 unit THEY are not rated for the larger drive sizes. So what gives? I have a 6 year old PC that I can plug an 8TB drive into and it doesn't blink...and yet MY hardware for my NAS does not seem able to meet my growing storage needs. SO in this day of 32bit and 64bit processors and OS's I should be able to manage up to 256TB drives/volumes and yet....I cant get 6Tb or 8TB support?I need a solution to allow me to install larger drives as they come available. IS there a ReadyNAS offering for me, or do I need to switch vendors?Ny Needs.... 50 or fewer concurrent users (usually much fewer) 48 to 100TB of storage in a single volume. Dual Gigabit Ethernet adapters.Sorry if the tone is less than cordial, Im just feeling the space squeeze and feel like Im being milked for every penny that can be squeezed out of me for incremental upgrades.

There are some 6 TB drives available on 314/316/516/716... Have you checked the hard-drive compatibility list? NETGEAR's compatibility list comes from drives that have been tested and are known to work. You are free to try and use any other drive of your choosing, at the risk that it hasn't been tested in ReadyNAS and might have unintentional consequences.

Yes I did check the list which is what prompted this post....perhaps I have a dated link? But the fact remains I still have the Pro and Ultra6 which SHOULD be able to support large drives and yet have no support :(Also if you compare the 314 and the 514 they show different volume maxes for no apparent reason.

immagikman wrote:Yes I did check the list which is what prompted this post....perhaps I have a dated link? But the fact remains I still have the Pro and Ultra6 which SHOULD be able to support large drives and yet have no support :(Also if you compare the 314 and the 514 they show different volume maxes for no apparent reason.The Pro and Ultra6 run RAIDiator 4.2. The limitations you have on there are ext4 and md. These are also end of life products. For instance, if you take a ReadyNAS Pro6 and put 6 6TB drives in it, and issue a factory default, you should have around 30TB, but no possible XRAID expansion, since the limitations to expand is after 16TB. We don't have a 514. We have a 516.

Link to compatibility list: http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/20641

Sorry meant the x16 family..... and the 316 and 516 in the comparison page have different max storage numbers but I cant find an explanation of why.so in theory, if I were to upgrade to the 316 and/or the 516 I should eventually have support for 8TB drives and larger?And if so, a side question, is it possible to purchase spare Power Supplies for the 316/516 family? ass that has historically been aproblem for the older machines.

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immagikman

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Dec 12, 2014

StephenB wrote:
64/84 TB with the EDA500s installed. Without expansion chassis both are the same 24 TB. The reason for the difference is that the RN316 only supports 2 EDA500, while the RN516 supports 3 (the previous line in the data sheet!)

That 24 TB number is wrong of course - 24 TB assumes 4 TB drives, which were the largest available when the product was released. 6 TB works now, and there's no technical reason why 8 TB won't work. So that number ends up doubled at least.

The 20 TB number for the EDA500 is low for the same reason.

Also, it is often practical to install more than one NAS - allowing you to preserve your original investment in the chassis and the disks. Personally I'd do that before getting an EDA500.

StephenB wrote:
64/84 TB with the EDA500s installed. Without expansion chassis both are the same 24 TB. The reason for the difference is that the RN316 only supports 2 EDA500, while the RN516 supports 3 (the previous line in the data sheet!) That 24 TB number is wrong of course - 24 TB assumes 4 TB drives, which were the largest available when the product was released. 6 TB works now, and there's no technical reason why 8 TB won't work. So that number ends up doubled at least. The 20 TB number for the EDA500 is low for the same reason. Also, it is often practical to install more than one NAS - allowing you to preserve your original investment in the chassis and the disks. Personally I'd do that before getting an EDA500.

Thank you kind sir, that makes me feel much more comfortable with the idea of going the 516 route for my needs. IF there will be support for the 8TB drives coming out now I might get away without the Expansion. I am already using a two box solution of a Pro and Ultra 6 unit, and its a major pain in the backside managing what goes where. The data can be replaced easily enough as I have the source Media for the iso files, so not tooo worried about failures...be nice to know if you can replace failed components like the Power Supply though

StephenB
Guru - Experienced User
Dec 12, 2014
The older datasheet (still accessible) has 8 TB for the RN312 (http://netgear.com/images/pdf/ReadyNAS_ ... 700_DS.pdf)

RN312: 8TB / 28TB
RN314: 16TB / 56TB
RN316: 24TB / 64TB
RN516: 24TB / 84TB
RN716: 24TB / 84TB

These numbers assumed 4 TB drives.

My guess is that they updated it to assume 6 TB drives, and have a type on rn312 base capacity (e.g., they meant 12 TB / 42 TB - 2x6TB and 7x6TB)..

If you scale to 8 TB drives, everything simply doubles, so the 516 becomes 48TB / 168 TB.
StephenB
Guru - Experienced User
Dec 12, 2014
immagikman wrote:
[I am already using a two box solution of a Pro and Ultra 6 unit, and its a major pain in the backside managing what goes where.
The disks in each EDA need to be separate volumes from the main NAS, so you still need to decide what goes where.

immagikman wrote:
[I am already using a two box solution of a Pro and Ultra 6 unit, and its a major pain in the backside managing what goes where.

immagikman

Aspirant

Dec 12, 2014

StephenB wrote:
The older datasheet (still accessible) has 8 TB for the RN312 (http://netgear.com/images/pdf/ReadyNAS_ ... 700_DS.pdf)

RN312: 8TB / 28TB
RN314: 16TB / 56TB
RN316: 24TB / 64TB
RN516: 24TB / 84TB
RN716: 24TB / 84TB

These numbers assumed 4 TB drives.

My guess is that they updated it to assume 6 TB drives, and have a type on rn312 base capacity (e.g., they meant 12 TB / 42 TB - 2x6TB and 7x6TB)..

If you scale to 8 TB drives, everything simply doubles, so the 516 becomes 48TB / 168 TB.

StephenB wrote:
The older datasheet (still accessible) has 8 TB for the RN312 (http://netgear.com/images/pdf/ReadyNAS_ ... 700_DS.pdf) RN312: 8TB / 28TB RN314: 16TB / 56TB RN316: 24TB / 64TB RN516: 24TB / 84TB RN716: 24TB / 84TB These numbers assumed 4 TB drives. My guess is that they updated it to assume 6 TB drives, and have a type on rn312 base capacity (e.g., they meant 12 TB / 42 TB - 2x6TB and 7x6TB).. If you scale to 8 TB drives, everything simply doubles, so the 516 becomes 48TB / 168 TB.

EXACTLY! and is exactly what I need 48 is workable for me, and the max I expect to need is 64....so this and one expansion would serve but even without the expansion Im set for at least the next 3 years. Yeah I realize my usable space will be significantly less :) Bummer about the separate volumes though. still hopefully internal data shuffling will be faster than the Gigabit transfers.

StephenB
Guru - Experienced User
Dec 12, 2014
I think the next step up (after 8 TB) will be 10 TB. HGST announced one in September - one of the very expensive helium-filled drives.
immagikman
Aspirant
Dec 13, 2014
StephenB wrote:
I think the next step up (after 8 TB) will be 10 TB. HGST announced one in September - one of the very expensive helium-filled drives.

Yeah, Im not expecting those to come down in price for a long time :) Ill put 6TB drives in the main box then when the time comes to expand Ill use the 8TB drives in an EDA expansion.
Now all I have to do is figure out what to do with the Pro and Ultra 6 with 2 and 3 TB drives in them
StephenB
Guru - Experienced User
Dec 13, 2014
They will run the 6 TB drives also, though if you stick with OS4 you need to install them all and do a factory reset.

They will run OS6 also, which would allow normal xraid expansion.
immagikman
Aspirant
Dec 15, 2014
StephenB wrote:
They will run the 6 TB drives also, though if you stick with OS4 you need to install them all and do a factory reset.

They will run OS6 also, which would allow normal xraid expansion.

You mean my ReadyNAS Pro Ans ReadyNAS Ultra 6 will run the 6.x OS? they are running 4.2.26 right now..how do I migrate them to 6?
I suppose Ill lose the data if I it is possible to go to OS 6 too?
StephenB
Guru - Experienced User
Dec 15, 2014
Information on how to migrate to OS6 on your pro/ultra is here: viewforum.php?f=159

It is unsupported, and you will need to do a factory reset.

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