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Subtitle support
I just bought the ReadyNas Duo, especially to share media to my Samsung B650 flat TV. Unfortunately when playing movies on the TV through the built-in DLNA feature, like Xvid, DivX or MKV, the subt...
I own a Readynas Duo v2, running ReadyDLNA and latest firmware, as of December 2011.
DLNA Client 1 is an Argosy HV335T standalone mediaplayer, which plays almost whatever you throw at it. Highly recommended.
The Argosy will render subtitles from separate (*.srt) files, AVI, MKV, MP4, or whatever container your movie is wrapped into, when the movies are launched form a USB device, the built-in hard disk, or from a CIFS network share.
When streaming movies from the ReadyDLNA to the Argosy, no subtitles survives, be it separate files or whatever container.
So I use CIFS, which is the same as Windows Neighbourhood, instead of the ReadyDLNA server.
I have tested the ReadyDLNA server with two alternative clients
DLNA client 2, is a Sony Blue Ray player, it will of course render subtitles from BD and DVD discs - the built-in mediaplayer, will render subtitles in two instances:
A: Movies in an AVI container, with separate (*.srt) subtitle file.
B: Movies in a MKV container, with (*.srt) subtitles muxed into the mkv-file as a third stream next to the audio- and video streams, but NOT as a separate (*.srt) file.
This works perfectly from USB devices.
The Sony is quite stupid, when it comes to movies in MP4 containers. It won't render subtitles, neither muxed into the mp4 file, nor as a separate (*.srt) file, or in any different shape.
(The only DLNA server I have tried, which streams mkv movies with srt subtitles muxed into the mkv file, and works with the Sony, is the Serviio software solution. Don't helps much in Netgear land).
It is obvious from the display messages the Sony yields, that the ReadyDLNA media server, transcodes AVI files, as well as MKV files, into a TS container, before the movies are put on the network. The flatpanel displays the icon "MPEG", (as in TS container), and not "MKV" or "AVI" as it would do, when playing movies off USB devices.
When mkv files are transcoded to TS by the Readynas, the subtitles muxed into the original file is lost in the proces, and separate (*.srt) files don't get streamed.
When avi files are transcoded into TS by the Readynas, the (*.srt) files don't get streamed.
No subtitles.
It is also quite obvious from the display messages the Sony yields, that the ReadyDLNA media server DO NOT transcode mp4 movies into a different container.
(No help to me, since the Sony client won't render mp4 subtitles, unless hardcoded into the videostream).
DLNA client 3, is a Sony Ericsson Xperia Ray smartphone, running Android 2.3
app UpnPlayer pulls DLNA media streams off Wifi. Movies are rendered by app MX Video Player.
The latter app (MX Video Player) renders separate (*.srt) subtitles perfectly with movies in mp4 containers. It do not render subtitles muxed into mp4 containers as a third stream next to the video- and audio streams. That is when the *.mp4 movie and *.srt subtitle is on the smartphones micro-sd memory card. Same performance as the Argosy client 1.
When the same stuff is streamed from the ReadyDLNA server the subtitles are lost. Same thing happens as with the AVI files - the (*.srt) file don't get streamed.
Conclusion:
This is not a Netgear issue, a Readynas issue, or a ReadyDLNA issue. This is a a DLNA issue in general. Forget about subtitles and DLNA. DLNA is crippled by birth in respect of subtitles, and it will take years before DLNA streams will be able to deliver subtitles in general, if ever.
As mentioned earlier, I have only seen the Serviio software server do the job.
I have tried Twonky, Wild Media, TVersity, and whatever software DLNA server - they are all totally uncapable of handling subtitles.
It would of course be nice, if Netgear took a quantum leap, and developed the ReadyDLNA media server into a marvel, which untranscoded could deliver AVI, MKV, and MP4 movie containers with subtitles, muxed as well as separate (*.srt) files. But I don't believe it would ever happen.
DLNA Client 1 is an Argosy HV335T standalone mediaplayer, which plays almost whatever you throw at it. Highly recommended.
The Argosy will render subtitles from separate (*.srt) files, AVI, MKV, MP4, or whatever container your movie is wrapped into, when the movies are launched form a USB device, the built-in hard disk, or from a CIFS network share.
When streaming movies from the ReadyDLNA to the Argosy, no subtitles survives, be it separate files or whatever container.
So I use CIFS, which is the same as Windows Neighbourhood, instead of the ReadyDLNA server.
I have tested the ReadyDLNA server with two alternative clients
DLNA client 2, is a Sony Blue Ray player, it will of course render subtitles from BD and DVD discs - the built-in mediaplayer, will render subtitles in two instances:
A: Movies in an AVI container, with separate (*.srt) subtitle file.
B: Movies in a MKV container, with (*.srt) subtitles muxed into the mkv-file as a third stream next to the audio- and video streams, but NOT as a separate (*.srt) file.
This works perfectly from USB devices.
The Sony is quite stupid, when it comes to movies in MP4 containers. It won't render subtitles, neither muxed into the mp4 file, nor as a separate (*.srt) file, or in any different shape.
(The only DLNA server I have tried, which streams mkv movies with srt subtitles muxed into the mkv file, and works with the Sony, is the Serviio software solution. Don't helps much in Netgear land).
It is obvious from the display messages the Sony yields, that the ReadyDLNA media server, transcodes AVI files, as well as MKV files, into a TS container, before the movies are put on the network. The flatpanel displays the icon "MPEG", (as in TS container), and not "MKV" or "AVI" as it would do, when playing movies off USB devices.
When mkv files are transcoded to TS by the Readynas, the subtitles muxed into the original file is lost in the proces, and separate (*.srt) files don't get streamed.
When avi files are transcoded into TS by the Readynas, the (*.srt) files don't get streamed.
No subtitles.
It is also quite obvious from the display messages the Sony yields, that the ReadyDLNA media server DO NOT transcode mp4 movies into a different container.
(No help to me, since the Sony client won't render mp4 subtitles, unless hardcoded into the videostream).
DLNA client 3, is a Sony Ericsson Xperia Ray smartphone, running Android 2.3
app UpnPlayer pulls DLNA media streams off Wifi. Movies are rendered by app MX Video Player.
The latter app (MX Video Player) renders separate (*.srt) subtitles perfectly with movies in mp4 containers. It do not render subtitles muxed into mp4 containers as a third stream next to the video- and audio streams. That is when the *.mp4 movie and *.srt subtitle is on the smartphones micro-sd memory card. Same performance as the Argosy client 1.
When the same stuff is streamed from the ReadyDLNA server the subtitles are lost. Same thing happens as with the AVI files - the (*.srt) file don't get streamed.
Conclusion:
This is not a Netgear issue, a Readynas issue, or a ReadyDLNA issue. This is a a DLNA issue in general. Forget about subtitles and DLNA. DLNA is crippled by birth in respect of subtitles, and it will take years before DLNA streams will be able to deliver subtitles in general, if ever.
As mentioned earlier, I have only seen the Serviio software server do the job.
I have tried Twonky, Wild Media, TVersity, and whatever software DLNA server - they are all totally uncapable of handling subtitles.
It would of course be nice, if Netgear took a quantum leap, and developed the ReadyDLNA media server into a marvel, which untranscoded could deliver AVI, MKV, and MP4 movie containers with subtitles, muxed as well as separate (*.srt) files. But I don't believe it would ever happen.
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