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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

greenbandit
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WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

I just had a WNDR4500 bought for me and intend to use it with a DG834 modem/router (because I have one, it works very well on my ADSL1 line and I'm currently broke).

Do you know if it is possible to get the WNDR4500 to work with an IP address of 192.168.0.1 and a mask of 255.255.255.0 so that it provides a DNS gateway of 192.168.0.1 ?

I have so far failed because even if I set the DG834 to use 10.0.0.1 or 192.168.1.1, I am unable to get the WNDR4500 to accept an IP address of 192.168.0.1 because of a conflict with the WAN.

I have to admit, the details regarding WAN/LAN conflicts are beyond me. 😞

If it is possible, what IP address and mask should I set in the DG834.
Message 1 of 20
billshih1975
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

the default 4500 ip address is 192.168.1.1.
if the WAN also use 192.168.1.x, the 4500 LAN will change to 10.0.0.1

just curious, why do you need to setup 4500 to 192.168.0.1?
Message 2 of 20
greenbandit
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

billshih1975 wrote:
the default 4500 ip address is 192.168.1.1.
if the WAN also use 192.168.1.x, the 4500 LAN will change to 10.0.0.1

just curious, why do you need to setup 4500 to 192.168.0.1?


Yes, I also found that the 4500 went to 10.0.0.1 when I set the WAN to 192.168.1.1 😞

I wanted to keep to my existing 192.168.0.x range of IP addresses because in addition to the WiFi equipment that use DHCP (for which I don't care what the IP range is) I have 5 PCs with fixed IP address all running BOINC.

I have monitoring software on 1 PC that accesses them using fixed IPs using various .CFG files that I was hoping to not have to find & edit, so I really want to stay with the settings I have if at all possible. I also know that when I really really bog up a PC and want to recover data or get online using a live Linux CD, I know they will work with the gateway at 192.168.0.1.

What I really want to find is a sequence of doing things that will let me use 192.168.1.1 (or any other IP that works) for the WAN and 192.168.0.1 for the 4500.
Message 3 of 20
sabretooth
Apprentice

Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

Fine, use the 1.1 for the WAN and 1.2 for your 4500. In the 4500 set the DHCP IP range to 192.168.100-253. Set your static IP's to 192.168.1.3-99. Or just use DHCP for all your devices. Just reboot them and they will given the .100 thru .253.
Message 4 of 20
jmizoguchi
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

If 4500 's default is 192.168.1.1, you can not use WAN as 192.168.1.x range

It will change 10. IP on LAN side

Suggestion is this..

Reset both DG and 4500
Put DG in modem mode-
Power up the 4500 and make sure authentication is ok
After all working then change to desire LAN IP
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Message 5 of 20
greenbandit
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

jmizoguchi wrote:
If 4500 's default is 192.168.1.1, you can not use WAN as 192.168.1.x range

It will change 10. IP on LAN side

Suggestion is this..

Reset both DG and 4500
Put DG in modem mode-
Power up the 4500 and make sure authentication is ok
After all working then change to desire LAN IP


I really appreciate the help:) , modem mode sounds sensible but I have not yet got everything working:(

The DG is now in modem mode, its IP is 192.168.0.2 (to leave 192.168.0.1 free for the 4500), it does get a sync speed of about 5700 when plugged into the phone line, and I can control it when I plug a PC directly into port 1

but

when I also connect to the DG via the 4500, the 4500 reports that there is no internet access and I get no response from the DG834.

How do I get things to authenticate now? Is the login info now needed by the 4500 & what settings are needed in the 4500 to get it to "talk" to the DG834?

It's doing my head in:eek:
Message 6 of 20
jmizoguchi
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

you will NOT able to control DG any more when used in modem mode and 4500 is behind.

you have to use switch

http://www.dslreports.com/faq/14772
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Message 7 of 20
greenbandit
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

This is beyond me but I understand not to try to access the DG when it is in modem mode until everything is working & I add a switch.

So far:-

- After applying a reset to defaults to the DG834 V4 and with a PC attached and set to DCHP mode, all I have to do is enter my username and password and I'm on the internet. So the DG834 works.

- I then connected the WNDR4500 to the DG834, connected the PC to the 4500, did a reset to default on the 4500, and I'm back on the internet (but with double NAT & a network address of 192.168.0.x which I don't want). So the router appears to work.

- I then plugged the PC directly into the DG834 LAN1 and set it to modem only mode. As expected the DG re-syncs but I have no internet access. I then plugged the 4500 yellow socket to the DG LAN1 and did a reset to default on the 4500. I tried the Genie but it did not find a connection and ends up repeatedly asking for a MAC code. I did a reset to default on the 4500 but did not run the Genie. The information I entered into the 4500 "advanced internet setup page" was
Require a login = yes
Internet service provider = PPPoE (On the DG I set PPPoA when it is in modem+router mode - is this difference significant?)
Login & password = (as previously tried on the DG)
Internet address and DNS address = get automatically from ISP (this is what worked on the DG although I do have a fixed IP)
Router MAC = use default address

The result? No internet, no matter how many times I power cycle the units.

I do not know if the 4500 is even talking to the DG and I do not know if I have to tell the 4500 what the DG address is (currently 192.168.0.1).

I'm guessing that the authentication is not happening because the router is trying to do the logging in and I have entered something wrong somewhere but I don't know what. I have tried to follow the router setup instructions on the (fantastically useful) www.vpncasestudy.com but I am no further forward.

Is there something obvious that I'm missing?
Message 8 of 20
jmizoguchi
Virtuoso

Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

http://www.dslreports.com/faq/14772

you need to READ above


for most user, DG in modem mode and router behind will NOT let you access the DG interface ANYMORE.

then plugged the PC directly into the DG834 LAN1 and set it to modem only mode. As expected the DG re-syncs but I have no internet access.


PC will NOT have internet access 100%
modem mode ONLY become MODEM ONLY. if pc was behind the modem mode DG then authentication MUST BE DONE from the PC with PPP dial up


Internet service provider = PPPoE (On the DG I set PPPoA when it is in modem+router mode - is this difference significant?)


DG in modem mode does NOT use any authentication. it act NOTHING but dummy modem function


if you have PPPoA then 4500 will NOT do PPPoA
so your issues is you can NOT use DG in modem modem with PPPoA.

:):)


I would say you need static IP from your ISP if you can get 2 pubic IP and put the DG to pass the second pubic IP to 4500 and DG to authentication with PPPoA


http://interface.netgear-forum.com/DG834/setup.cgi%20next_file=basic.htm&todo=cfg_init.html
this is french but you will similar with NAT feature. By disable you can pass multiple public IP but you will need to buy those IP from your ISP

consult with your ISP on fee's
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Message 9 of 20
greenbandit
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

jmizoguchi wrote:
http://www.dslreports.com/faq/14772
if you have PPPoA then 4500 will NOT do PPPoA
so your issues is you can NOT use DG in modem modem with PPPoA.

:):)


I would say you need static IP from your ISP if you can get 2 pubic IP and put the DG to pass the second pubic IP to 4500 and DG to authentication with PPPoA


I think I understand. The DG834V4 will not allow the WNDR4500 to connect to my PPPoA internet connection unless I pay for a 2nd static IP address.

I believe it will be cheaper to buy a modem that can use full bridge mode 😞

If this is correct
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1850573
the DM111P will save me a lot of pain (and save people who have helped me especially jmizoguchi a lot of pain and time).
Message 10 of 20
jmizoguchi
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

DG support PPPoA used as router mode

it is 4500 can NOT use PPPoA when DG is in MODEM MODE
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Message 11 of 20
greenbandit
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

jmizoguchi wrote:
DG support PPPoA used as router mode

it is 4500 can NOT use PPPoA when DG is in MODEM MODE


OK, I have bought a DM111P. 🙂

I did a factory reset on the DM111P then set it to PPPoA bridging mode. I did a factory reset on the 4500, then power cycled everything. I have internet (=good) but the 4500 is back to its default IP of 192.168.1.1 and handing out IP addresses of 192.168.1.x (= not quite there yet).

When I set the 4500 to 192.168.0.1 I loose internet access. I think the correct question to ask is - what IP address do I need to give the DM111P so that the 4500 can work with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?
Message 12 of 20
greenbandit
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

(sort of) SORTED 😄

Its taken a while but in case it helps anyone else I can confirm that a DM111P in PPPoA mode with an IP of 192.168.1.1 and a WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 work together and give me the network IP range of 192.168.0.x that I need.

I can even access the DM111P by entering 192.168.1.1 into any computer on the network. Dies this mean I have a security issue that I am not aware of? :confused:

What I don't yet understand is why my HTC Desire S phones and my Wii work OK with access control = on, two WNCE2001 units will not connect to either the main or guest networks while access control is on even when their MAC codes are programmed into the WBDR4500. :confused:

Access control correctly locked out my laptop until the laptop MAC code was entered into the WNDR4500, but the WNCE2001 units refuse to connect until access control is turned off. WHY ?

At least wireless access is working as long as access control is off so all I need to do is work out how to get the WNCE2001 units to connect when access control is on.
Message 13 of 20
jmizoguchi
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

You will be running double NAT so you will not see any port forwarding or firewall future to work correctly
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Message 14 of 20
greenbandit
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

jmizoguchi wrote:
You will be running double NAT so you will not see any port forwarding or firewall future to work correctly


(1)
I understand a bit more. A DM111P in PPPoA bridging mode is not the same as a modem in "modem only mode", so it does translate between its external IP & its internal IP, but is this going to cause some (double NAT) technical problem that I don't yet understand? :confused:

I have just tested port forwarding on the WNDR4500 and it does seem to work, e.g. I can allow an external request on port 8008 to be sent to port 80 on 192.168.0.6 (i.e. remotely access my IP camera). All I have done is set a single port forwarding entry on the WNDR4500. Surely this means port forwarding is working OK?

(2)
I am still worried about the firewall comment though even though GRC's Shields up gives me a true stealth result. Is there a firewall problem/risk still present here? :confused:
Message 15 of 20
jmizoguchi
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

If there is PPPoA Bridge mode in DM111P then you should be fine.
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Message 16 of 20
greenbandit
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

jmizoguchi wrote:
If there is PPPoA Bridge mode in DM111P then you should be fine.


Thank you jmizoguchi, I now have the IP ranges that I need. I really appreciate your help.
Message 17 of 20
jmizoguchi
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

Your welcome.. Enjoy
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Message 18 of 20
greenbandit
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PPPoA Fudging on a DG834 ?

Just when I think everything is sorted 😞

My DG834 V4 manages a sync speed of 5906kbps, but both a DM111P v1 and a DM111P v2 that I bought to use with my (nice shiny new) WNDR4500 only manage about 4900kbps (all at same time of day & same S/N ratio) and they drop the internet connection from time to time.

This makes me wonder if it is possible to disable functions of the DG834 so that it will work with the WNDR4500 without creating firewall & double NAT problems.

Just now I have a system that seems to work:-
DG834 v4 with LAN connected only to WNDR4500
LAN IP = 192.168.1.1
DHCP range = 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.2
Inbound service = Any(all) to 192.168.1.2

WNDR4500
LAN IP = 192.168.0.1 (as required for my 192.168.0.x LAN)
UPnP = off (otherwise GRC's shields up reports that port 443 is open)

With my limited knowledge things seem to work because:-
- I have internet access.
- The WNDR4500 is working with the IP addresses I have manually set.
- From the internet I can access my IP camera that has a fixed IP with one port forwarding rule that maps a single (external) port to 192.168.0.8:80
- GRC's Shields up reports TruStealth = pass for the 1st 1024 ports (but obviously reports that the mapped port is open)
- my sync rate is back to the reliable 5900kbps that it has been for 2 or 3 years with my DG834 units.

Is there a "more purist" or better way of setting up the DG834 or are the settings above as good and secure as the PPPoA bridging mode that the DM111P units can do?
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jmizoguchi
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Re: WNDR4500 with an IP of 192.168.0.1 ?

if works then use the best device combination ... :):)
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