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update firmware button gone

Sasquatch3000
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update firmware button gone

I have a WNR2000v5 and did the most recent "update firmware". While this did work, it no longer has a button to check for further firmware updates.  What gives?

 

Also, this device is giving us trouble. Our kids have to do schoolwork online, and are unable to log in to Zoom sometimes. Why would this stop working all of a sudden? Is this vulnerable to DOS attacks?

 

If we had to upgrade to a newer device, what would be a suitable replacement? We are in a typical colonial type house, with the wifi router at the top of the stairs going into basement, which puts it smack in the middle of the house. This has always worked well before, on both the WNR2000v5 and a Belkin before that.

 

Thank you.

Message 1 of 17
Sasquatch3000
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Re: update firmware button gone

The previous Belkin was a N300, I believe.

 

 

Some potential replacements for the WNR2000v5  are:

 

R6080 $59.00 NETGEAR AC1000 Dual Band Smart Wi-Fi Router (R6080-100NAS)

R6120 $69.00 NETGEAR AC1200 Dual Band Smart Wi-Fi Router (R6120-100NAS)

R6230 $89.98 NETGEAR R6230 - Wireless router - 4-port switch - GigE - 802.11a/b/g/n/ac - Dual Band

 

I am guessing any of the above is better than what I have, and you probably get more performance and features the more you spend, in order. If not, all the better!


The usage on this is for 3 iphones, 1 Android, 2 school ipads, 1 chromebook, 1 PC, 1 Xbox One, 1 Xbox 360. Not all at the same time.

 

Thanks again if you can help.

Message 2 of 17
Sasquatch3000
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Re: update firmware button gone

Also see:

R6260 $68.95 NETGEAR AC1600 Dual Band Smart Wi-Fi Router (R6260-100NAS)

 

Not sure if they get "better" as the model number goes up.

 

Anyone?

Message 3 of 17
antinode
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Re: update firmware button gone

> I have a WNR2000v5 [...]

 

   Connected to what?

 

> [...] and did the most recent "update firmware". [...]

 

   As always, an actual version number would be more useful than your
opinion of what's "the most recent" today.

 

> [...] it no longer has a button to check for further firmware
> updates. What gives?

 

   Netgear router firmware bugs are not unheard of.  You might try an
older version to see if that helps.


   Visit http://netgear.com/support , put in your model number, and look
for Downloads.  (For older versions, under Firmware and Software
Downloads, look for "View Previous Versions".)  Find the kit(s).
Download the kit(s) you want.  Read the "Release Notes" file for
instructions.  (In the User Manual, look for "firmware", and,
especially, for a topic like "Manually Upload Firmware to the Router".)

> Also, this device is giving us trouble. [...]

 

   Since the firmware update, or before, too?

 

   Not a very detailed description of anything. "unable" is not a
useful problem description.  It does not say what you did.  It does not
say what happened when you did it.  As usual, showing actual actions
(commands) with their actual results (error messages, LED indicators,
...) can be more helpful than vague descriptions or interpretations.

 

> [...] Is this vulnerable to DOS attacks?


   Perhaps.

 


> Some potential replacements for the WNR2000v5 are:

 

   I'd look beyond Netgear, too.  I'd also consider a used device (Ebay,
...).

 

> R6080 [...]
> R6120 [...]

 

   Both have only "Fast" (that is, slow) Ethernet.  (Like the
WNR2000v5.)  I'd avoid getting anything without gigabit/s Ethernet.
Anything which says "dual-band" should provide better wireless.

 

   To see the specs, take the model number to http://netgear.com/support
, and look at the Documentation.


   But whether any new router would solve your actual problem is unclear.

Message 4 of 17
wcalifas
Virtuoso

Re: update firmware button gone

You can check on the netgear website to see if there's newer firmware for your router. Go to netgear.com and click on support, then type your router model number wnr2000 v5 and it will take you to where you can see the downloads for the firmware. You have to manually update it doing it hardwired. If your router is going bad just get a newer router. Probably anything new you buy will be suitable and stronger, and more stable.

Message 5 of 17
Sasquatch3000
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Re: update firmware button gone


@antinode wrote:

> I have a WNR2000v5 [...]

 

   Connected to what?

 

 

Connected to Charter Spectrum (Arris?) cable modem.

 

 

> [...] and did the most recent "update firmware". [...]

 

   As always, an actual version number would be more useful than your
opinion of what's "the most recent" today.

 

Firmware Version 1.0.0.74

 

> [...] it no longer has a button to check for further firmware
> updates. What gives?

 

   Netgear router firmware bugs are not unheard of.  You might try an
older version to see if that helps.

 

The button existed on the older version. That is how I got to the newer version. The trouble is that now I am stuck here without the update button unless I do manual checks on the website. It was far easier to just hit the button to check for any available updates.

 

 


   Visit http://netgear.com/support , put in your model number, and look
for Downloads.  (For older versions, under Firmware and Software
Downloads, look for "View Previous Versions".)  Find the kit(s).
Download the kit(s) you want.  Read the "Release Notes" file for
instructions.  (In the User Manual, look for "firmware", and,
especially, for a topic like "Manually Upload Firmware to the Router".)

> Also, this device is giving us trouble. [...]

 

   Since the firmware update, or before, too?

 

Possibly before also, but maybe just worse after. I'm guessing this older model is getting DDOS'd or something, plus it is losing its brains. I was hoping the firmware upgrade might alleviate that by providing more "security features".

 

 

 

   Not a very detailed description of anything. "unable" is not a
useful problem description.  It does not say what you did.  It does not
say what happened when you did it.  As usual, showing actual actions
(commands) with their actual results (error messages, LED indicators,
...) can be more helpful than vague descriptions or interpretations.

 

No unusual LED's. Just going to the web page and the button which is usually there is missing.

 

 

> [...] Is this vulnerable to DOS attacks?


   Perhaps.

 


> Some potential replacements for the WNR2000v5 are:

 

   I'd look beyond Netgear, too.  I'd also consider a used device (Ebay,
...).

 

> R6080 [...]
> R6120 [...]

 

   Both have only "Fast" (that is, slow) Ethernet.  (Like the
WNR2000v5.)  I'd avoid getting anything without gigabit/s Ethernet.
Anything which says "dual-band" should provide better wireless.

 

I believe these are all "dual-band". Having gigabit is not necessary, as my Internet service is 100M. Also, I think the last one I said in another post here is 1G.

 

 

 

   To see the specs, take the model number to http://netgear.com/support
, and look at the Documentation.


   But whether any new router would solve your actual problem is unclear.

 

Highly doubt it is the cable modem.


 

Message 6 of 17
Sasquatch3000
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Re: update firmware button gone


@wcalifas wrote:

You can check on the netgear website to see if there's newer firmware for your router. Go to netgear.com and click on support, then type your router model number wnr2000 v5 and it will take you to where you can see the downloads for the firmware.

 

As said above, I'm on the latest.

 

You have to manually update it doing it hardwired.

 

This is why having that button is good/important.

 

If your router is going bad just get a newer router. Probably anything new you buy will be suitable and stronger, and more stable.

 

Kind of what I was thinking. Did you see the ones I posted above? Thoughts on those?


 

Message 7 of 17
Sasquatch3000
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Re: update firmware button gone

Just to make it clear and get the story straight:

 

previous device:

Belkin N300

 

 

Current device, being discussed, and having trouble:

WNR2000v5  firmware version 1.0.0.74 (current up to date)

 

 

Possible replacements, if current device needs replacing:

R6080 $59.00 NETGEAR AC1000 Dual Band Smart Wi-Fi Router (R6080-100NAS)

R6120 $69.00 NETGEAR AC1200 Dual Band Smart Wi-Fi Router (R6120-100NAS)

R6230 $89.98 NETGEAR R6230 - Wireless router - 4-port switch - GigE - 802.11a/b/g/n/ac - Dual Band

R6260 $68.95 NETGEAR AC1600 Dual Band Smart Wi-Fi Router (R6260-100NAS)

 

(The last two have Gigabit, not sure on others, but my Arris cable modem on Charter Spectrum is 100Mb.)

Message 8 of 17
wcalifas
Virtuoso

Re: update firmware button gone

The last 2 routers Ibppsted are better than all yhe ones you posted. The wndr4500 is also a good one with good range, I threw those in in case you don't want to spend more and get better speed and rsnge than your N300.
Message 9 of 17
Sasquatch3000
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Re: update firmware button gone


@wcalifas wrote:
The last 2 routers Ibppsted are better than all yhe ones you posted. The wndr4500 is also a good one with good range, I threw those in in case you don't want to spend more and get better speed and rsnge than your N300.

Not sure what the first one means, and not seeing the second.

 

??

Message 10 of 17
Sasquatch3000
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Re: update firmware button gone

Here is one more:

 NETGEAR AC1750 Dual Band Smart WiFi Router (R6350-100NAS)

Message 11 of 17
Sasquatch3000
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Re: update firmware button gone

Anyone? Bueller?


Message 12 of 17
wcalifas
Virtuoso

Re: update firmware button gone

There's higher quality routers on ebay than the ones you listed for less. Type netgear nighthawk new on ebay and you'll see better options for a better price.
Message 13 of 17
Sasquatch3000
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Re: update firmware button gone

Well, I don't do "fleabay".  How about Amazon?

 

If you've got a link, that would be great. Thanks.

 

P.S. I'm guessing any of these are still better than what I have now, no?

Message 14 of 17
Sasquatch3000
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Re: update firmware button gone

Oh, just an FYI, this is what I was told in another forum:

"For the prices indicated your best bet would be the R6260. There is essentially little difference between that device and the R6230 and R6350 so the lower price should be the deciding factor. The R6080 and R6120 have less processing power and significantly less available storage."

 

 

My replies:

"Thank you. I'm open to other suggestions, but that was what a quick search found me. Looking for something in the $80-110 range. Since my original post here, the Netgear WNV2000 v5 has been on the fritz, so need something for the kids for their school work, which is online 3/5 of the week now."

 

and:

"Oh, the processing power just translates to more speed. What does "available storage" do for me? Is that like cache?"

 

 

Thoughts on this?

 

 

Message 15 of 17
wcalifas
Virtuoso

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You said you don't do fleabay but it will be all cheaper there and better than your choices, just saying.
Message 16 of 17
Sasquatch3000
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Re: update firmware button gone

More detail from that other site:

 

"Storage is the internal flash memory-- more space to install additional features like a VPN.

Netgear's philosophy lately is to have groups of models that are almost the same inside. The first group you listed the 6080 and 6120 aren't suitable for 100Mb ISP speed since the Ethernet ports are 100 Mb, which with overhead means a maximum throughput of 94 Mb. Also the CPU is weak and the storage is small.

The 6230 6260 and 6350 are based on the MT7621 chip. This is a good chip for your intended use especially as it has built in gigabit Ethernet which can reach the full potential of your modem and ISP. However the 6230 has the single core version of the CPU and a less capable 5 GHz WiFi chip. So there's no reason to buy it when the 6260 is less expensive.

The only thing the 6350 adds over the 6260 is a third antenna for 3x3 MIMO, which is really only a potential difference when linked to advanced 5 GHz clients that also have three antennas. Most smartphones have one antenna and laptops have two."

 

Works for me. Anyone else care to chime in?

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