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Re: NV+ Motherboard upgrade?

mpatnode
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NV+ Motherboard upgrade?

Is the motherboard in the NV+ follow any standard such that I might be able to replace it with a more recent off-the-shelf version? I'd like to get a faster Intel CPU and better network adaptor (one without the 7K Jumbo Packet limitation) and perhaps run FreeNAS? (are we allowed to mention that here?) Obviously the case and drive bays add significant value verse building one from a regular shoebox case. Has anyone done this?
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PapaBear1
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Re: NV+ Motherboard upgrade?

The mother board is of a size that will fit within the small confines of the case. Most units in the market that are ready to run RAID enclosures are proprietary to their units. They won't fit in other cases and vice versa.

If you want a GP motherboard to experiment with it will have to also have a much larger case. If you like the features of the NV+ but want a faster CPU and more memory, check out the Ultra line. I doubt that you can build one much cheaper and you would have no real support.
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mpatnode
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Re: NV+ Motherboard upgrade?

PapaBear wrote:
If you want a GP motherboard to experiment with it will have to also have a much larger case.


Sorry, I thought that was obvious. I'm asking about small form factor boards like the micro-itx or pico-itx.

PapaBear wrote:
If you like the features of the NV+ but want a faster CPU and more memory, check out the Ultra line. I doubt that you can build one much cheaper

Amazon's price for the NVX is currently ~$750. PassMark rates the Pentium M @1GHz at 244 (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup. ... +M+1000MHz - closest thing I could find to a Tolapai). Yet an Atom 525 is rated at 714 (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup. ... 40+1.80GHz) an you can pick it up w/t the ITX motherboard for $80 on Amazon. Add $40 for 4g of memory...

Assuming I'm just replacing the motherboard, CPU & memory on an existing NV+ chassis, I think there's no question you could get better raw performance than a NVX for less than $750. Whether you could build something with better NAS performance than the NVX with FreeNAS is another question, but I suspect you could beat the pants off the NV+.

PapaBear wrote:

and you would have no real support

Really!?! OK. Now I suspect you're just paid by Netgear to discourage anyone from reusing old hardware vs. buying new. 😄

To be more specific, does anyone know if any off-the-shelf mini or pico ITX motherboards will fit in the NV+ case. Second question is whether the SATA connector from the drive bays will plug into a standard SATA motherboard, or did they go through the pain to make sure no-one could re-use the hardware?
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PapaBear1
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Re: NV+ Motherboard upgrade?

FIrst of all - the NVX has not been in production for at least 9 months. If you will check the product listing on the Netgear website you will note there are four different four bay models current. The NV+, the Ultra 4, the Ultra 4 Plus and the Pro 4. In my post said that if you wanted a faster CPU and more memory to check out the Ultra Line. The Ultra 4 uses a single core Atom D410, the Ultra 4 Plus and Pro 4 use a dual core Atom 510. The Ultras and Pros come with 1GB of memory. On Newegg the Ultra 4 (newer and faster than the NVX is $546 on Newegg, the Ultra 4 Plus is $600 and the Pro 4 is $670. Incidentally, the NVX is no longer listed on Newegg.
Remember - the NAS is not a backup plan.

Backup = Good, No Backup = Bad
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mpatnode
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I appreciate your efforts to sell me more Netgear products, but that's not really not my question. I'm looking for a way to extend the life of my existing hardware. Remember when Intel ignored the overclockers fearing it would eat into their pricing model while AMD embraced them? That was probably the last time AMD made significant gains in market share. What BMW & Honda understand (Ford and GM not so much, maybe BMW less so now) is that making a product with high resale value down the line improves your new line sales, and doesn't undercut them.

I'm not sure where Netgear wants to stand in that line, but the simple logic is having a DIY upgrade path for old products improves the likelyhood of someone purchasing the new products, even when they have no interest in upgrading the product themselves. One reason is the old products then have greater resale value rather than having to become door-stops or additional landfill.

So with that in mind, back to my original question: (Perhaps we can start new threads on "ReadyNAS market strategy" and "Why you should buy an Ultra" 🙂 What are my options for upgrading an old NV+ chassis? If the motherboard shape & mounts are too customized, can I strap something outside the chassis and run the SATA cable out the back? (maybe a Sandy Bridge with a 6-Gbps SATA?). I can't believe no one has tried this. Note, there still is an extremely painful conversion process due to the Sparc byte-order here. Please don't be concerned that a solution for this is going to kill the sales of the Ultra line.
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PapaBear1
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Re: NV+ Motherboard upgrade?

Since I don't work for Netgear, whether you buy another Netgear product or not does not affect me. Rather than cobble together a frankenstien NAS, why not just buy a MB, case, etc and roll your own from scratch. I read an article about that over 4 years ago, it was based on turning old Win 98 based PC's into file servers running Linux on the old motherboards. There are some who do. I looked at what it took, and decided that for what I would invest in hardware, I would let Infrant do my development and assembly and bought my trusty old NV+.

You are talking about a new PSU, new MB and of course memory to match. Seems to me the only thing you would be saving from the NV+ is the case. To me it would be easier to find a case that will accommodate at least 4 or more drives, and then go from there.

Good Luck.
Remember - the NAS is not a backup plan.

Backup = Good, No Backup = Bad
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mpatnode
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Re: NV+ Motherboard upgrade?

Not just the case, but also the drive bays with the SATA plugs built into the back. That's not so easy to find and is pretty cool, or are those more standard than I think?
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