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rhys375
Apr 29, 2020Tutor
Is the Nighthawk RAX80 compatible with Australian FTTC NBN?
Hi all, I recently (FINALLY) got FTTC NBN activated at my home. In preperation of this event (upgrade from ADSL of less than 4 Mbps Down) I splurged and bought the Nighthawk AX8 router for my home...
- May 05, 2020
I believe the information I gave regarding the NBN NCD providing an ethernet connection is correct based on reading I had been doing accross multiple forums. As I said, it takes the VDSL signal from the FTTC splitter in the pit out the front of my house and effectively acts as a modem but it is not directly accessible by the user as it has no built-in PPPoE authentication ability so you cant just plug directly into it as far as I know. So yes, in fact all I needed was a router but I was seeking guidance on how to set it up to authenticate PPPoE with my ISP.
I am writing here for any future readers to tell you YES! It is compatible! All the other info I could find was for lower tier Netgear routers and the settings you need to alter are in different directories for the Nighthawk AX8.Interestingly, you do NOT need a password to satisfy your login credentials. On the internet setup page on the router home IP address just put in your username without the "@tpg.com.au" suffix. Set the ISP drop down menu to "PPPoE", leave password blank, leave service name blank, connection mode should be 'Always on', Get IP dynamically from ISP and I use 1.1.1.1 as my primary DNS and 8.8.8.8 as my secondary, though this can also be left as get automatically from ISP if you want.
All of that is straightforward, but heres the rub. Alone, it is not enough. You also need to alter the VLAN setting and there is a little trick to that. In the AX firmware you need to select the 'Advanced' tab at the top left of the page. Then select 'Advanced Setup' from the menu on the left hand side and finally select 'VLAN/Bridge Settings'. I dont know enough to say exactly WHY this set-up works, all I can say is that it does. The VLAN ID of 2 is specifically for TPG and I believe other ISP's use other VLAN ID's. As you can see, I have Port4 on its own group and all others on a different VLAN group. The reason for this is, any port that is associated with the group that has a VLAN ID of 2 and priority of Zero becomes inaccessible after you set this up. I was getting very frustrated because once I was swapping all my ports onto this VLAN Tag the internet light on my router was going from amber to white but it became impossible to access my router or internet via any IP address or even routerlogin.net. However, if I left my active ports on a secondary VLAN Tag with a priority of 2, BINGO, my AX8 was now working with no TP-LINK modem, my ping has dropped, my wifi speeds increased from about 37 Mbps to 47 Mbps on back-to-back runs between the budget router included from TPG to my AX8 Netgear router. Also wifi range was SIGNIFICANTLY increased and of course the addition of WIFI 6 which my next phone will almost certainly have.
I hope this info can help someone else. I probably lost a few years of my life trying every setting I could and resetting the router a million times but it was worth it in the end.
rhys375
May 06, 2020Tutor
Thanks mate,
Yes I did spend over an hour I think on the phone to my ISP, who is in this case TPG, and they walked me through most of the settings but neglected to point out the importance or even existance of VLAN settings. They were very patient but I think ultimately not very competant with anything outside the boilerplate style router that they are used to dealing with.
Yes FTTC does refer to Fibre to the Curb in this case. We also have Fibre to the Node (FTTN), Fibre to the Premisis (FTTP), Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC), Fixed Wireless (essentially a high-speed short-range mobile network for country towns) and Sky Muster (satellite). I have previously had FTTP at an old house where the fibre literally terminates inside a cabinet inside your home and the Network Connection Device (NCD) provided for that service provides an enternet signal that does not even require PPPoE details. You can literally plug your computer into that NCD and start using the internet provided you have an active plan. No router required.
Originally, the Australian NBN was meant to be a world-class FTTP network to over 90% of the population, but a certain government came in and turned it into a dogs breakfast of myriad technologies. Even someone like me who is fairly techy has a hard time understanding what is needed for all the different connection types.
In any case, I am super happy to have my new router up and running :-)
michaelkenward
May 06, 2020Guru - Experienced User
rhys375 wrote:
....neglected to point out the importance or even existance of VLAN settings.
That looks like the key bit. It is a part of the other message I linked to. I found it after reading your account.
Seems to apply to any router you try to use.
rhys375 wrote:
Originally, the Australian NBN was meant to be a world-class FTTP network to over 90% of the population, but a certain government came in and turned it into a dogs breakfast of myriad technologies.
That one has come up here before!
When politicians get technological, look for disaster.