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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
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RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
Hi Guys,
Ive just installed my new AX12 router in the same place as my old R7000.
The only thing ive changed is the SSIDs to what I had before so all network devices can work again.
(I will change this at a later date).
Everything is the same except the router.
I have a BT FTTP connection with a fibre modem in the house downstairs.
I am in the upstairs office about 6/7m from the router. (Its a new build house so wood walls).
Slow Internet
I used to get a constant 270Mbs download using SPEEDTEST app on a MAC.
Now its 200Mbs if I am lucky!!!! Where has 70Mbs gone?
I was expecting this new router to be at least the same out of the box, or am I missing something?
Surely only the WIFI has changed not the internet speed?
Crappy WiFi
Also, I used to get a solid 3 bars on my phone for WiFi strength, I now only get 2 on 2.4 and 5G?
(This is in the same upstairs office about 6/7m from the router).
It wont even pick up one of the 5G channels its so weak.
I was expecting this to deffinately be better than before
Any help please?
I am hoping I am making some schoolboy error somewhere.....
I will start to look around on hear to see if anyone else has had problems.
I just didnt expect to / or want to have to start looking at tweaking channels and checking interference with a much superior product.....
Cheers,
Des.
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
What wireless card is in the mac?
Have you tried changing the channels the rax200 is on? Maybe theres interference on one.
have you tried speedtesting on each of the 2x 5ghz bands? and not just one?
What speed do you have set for the rax? is it set for "up to 4800mbps"
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
What wireless card is in the mac? AirPort Extreme (0x14E4, 0x134) (Its an old MBP)
Have you tried changing the channels the rax200 is on? Maybe theres interference on one. - Not yet
have you tried speedtesting on each of the 2x 5ghz bands? and not just one?
What speed do you have set for the rax? is it set for "up to 4800mbps” - As above.
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
and now hopefully with screen shot
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
One last go...
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
I dont know why the image wont show, tried .png and .jpg and got it under 500kb...
Strangely tho.
Ive just tested the speed on the PS4 in the same office upstairs next to my MAC using the 5G network my mac is slower on.
It used to test between 130/160Mbs and now its on 210Mbs so fast than my old R7000
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
Photos have to be approved by a moderator. right now only the first one is showing.
channel 44 is only showing as 20hz wide on your scanner. that'd reduce its link speed from "up to 4800mbps" down to 600mbps.
4800=160hz
2400=80hz
1200=40hz
600=20hz
And thats in a 4x4 configuration. most wireless devices are only 2x2 antenna devices. Meaning your link speed would only be around 300mbps.
Plus your higher band is set at "up to 2400mbps" which is only 80 hz wide.
You can set the higher band up.
Not sure why the lower band is only broadcasting at 20hz wide.
What firmware version are you on?
Try setting the lower band to "up to 2400mbps" to see if it'll change to 80hz wide.
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
nevermind. was looking at the wrong network 🙂
the channel 44 is 160hz wide.
but try setting it down and changin gthe channel its broadcasting on.
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
If your area is not congested, on the WiFi settings, uncheck the 20/40MHz coexistance setting for the 2.4GHz band. Newer netgear routers have been more willing to drop to 20 MHz channel width when overlapping APs are detected. While it is useful if the overlapping APs are highly active. If they are not very active where you will end up with a ton of airtime sharing issues, then you will notice a near doubling of the performance on the 2.4GHz band.
For 5GHz, it should be significantly faster, The RAX200 with a 2 stream 802.11ax client, is able to deliver a real world throughput of 1.8Gbps to 1.9Gbps on a 2.4Gbps PHY rate. Furthermore compared to the R7000, it also has a significantly higher transmit power on both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz band. Beyond that, one area that Netger does well in, is improving receiver sensitivity and minimizing self-noise, thus maintaining higher speeds across a given range (less of a dropoff), thus even in those cases, performance still improves.
The one exception, is if you use DFS channels, If you do not have any devices that support 160MHz channel width on the 5GHz band, then change the WiFi mode from "Up to 4800 Mbps" to "Up to 2400 Mbps", this is because in the US the FCC unneessarily restricts any transmissions that enter the DFS range to a max of 250mW instead of the normal 1000mW. That will cause the router to use 80MHz channel width on the 5GHz band, which will allow it to avoid the use of DFS channels.
Depending on the AP, sometimes signal strengths can change, e.g., if you move from a model that has 2dBi antnnas, to 5dBi antennas, then clients a floor above or below the WiFi router will see a small drop in signal strength. Furthermore signal strength can be unreliable of some lower end WiFi adapters if very close to the router, since some lower end WiFi radios handle receiver overload rather poorly.
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
Are any of your WiFi radios able to use channel 149?
How is the 2.4GHz performance with 20/40 MHz coexistence unchecked?
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
Which country was the router purchased from? It seems like you have not tried 80MHz channel width on a non-DFS channel yet. Are you in a region where there is no 80MHz block of spectrum available?
Beyond that, when it is sett to up to 4800Mbps then it is using 160MHz channel width which will force the use of DFS even if the primary channel is out of the DFS range.
While in smaller homes and close ranges, DFS can work well, there are exceptions such as environments with a high noise floor where having your transmit power cut down to 1/4th power because of DFS can be an issue, as well as environments close to an airport where where they will be constantly flooding the DFS spectrum.
If a device was purchased in the US, a good way to rule out such issues is to set the router to the up to 2400Mbps setting, and then have it use channel 149 (in the case f tri-band routers, give the upper band radio a different SSID to ensure that you are using the the selected channel when testing, then seeing if there are any throughput issues.
For the 1GbE WAN port, the max real world throughput is around 941Mbps due to overhead.
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
Router was purchased in the UK.
Im about 30miles from a small airport in Southampton.
I will be honest and say I have no idea about DFS. (I will have to readup on it next).
The router has still got pretty standard settings apart from the SSIDs.
I do not know what channels are non DFS, I assume the lower ones on 5G (44) as when I changed 5G1 to Ch60 I got the popup about DFS.
When I changed it back to 44 I didnt get a popup?
I just stupidly thought that this new router would out perform my old one out of the box without all this nonsense.
Hopefully I will get it sorted and only have to do it once.
Cheers,
Des.
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
Hi,
Ok. DFS channels actually come up in Blue on my scanner.
The higher 5G2 is DFS, The Lower 5G2 is not at present.
Does anyone have any other ideas please? I'm getting desperate before sending it back.
Notes: I am in a 800Sqm new build, detached, 2 storey, 4 bed house.
My old R7000 was swapped out for the RAX200, everything else is the same.
All speed tests are done on my MBP in the same place, an upstairs office/Bedroom 6/7m away from router downstairs.
Firmware Version V1.0.5.126_1.0.65
My neighbours 2.4 network is stonger than mine????? This isnt right!
My 5G1 network is just crap - Ive tried different channels, its just poo.
My 5G2 network is as good as my old R7000 not better!
Looks like I have purchased a dual band router for the price of a Triband, which is no better than my 10 year old R7000 wahoo, go me!
Im starting to switch all other WiFi equipment on and to be fair there has been no issues.
Cheers,
Des.
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
Have you tried an older firmware?
Occassionally, newer firmware causes issues.
You can try downgrading the firmware and testing that.
Does your MBP have a AX card in it?
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
In terms of defaults, the RAX200's out of the box performance (assuming you just finished the basic setup wizard, it set up for 802.11ax clients will get around 1.8 to 1.9 Gbps over a 2 stream radio on the 5GHz band (160MHz), and 802.11ac clients will get around 600-700Mbps over a 2 stream radio on the 5GHz band (80MHz).
802.11n clients do not get much of a performance boost over what was seen with the enhancements made to 802.11ac routers.
On 2.4GHz, iimprvements were seen with 802.11ac and ax class products, 802.11n products remained the same, and 802.11g clients have not had any noticeable improvement in years across any major brand.
Is using mixed device setups, the main improvements that you will notice with Netgear, is improved airtime sharing where a mixed setup of 802.11ax, ac, and n devices, will have lless of a performance hit as compared to older routers, thus aggregate throughput remains much higher than used to be possible with mixed use.
The performance issues you are facing are certainly not normal, and usially such a large upgrade would offer people a massive performance boost.
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
OP, I wonder if you've received a lemon RAX200? I'm also using a RAX200 on a TalkTalk FTTP Fibre 900 line and the RAX200 is the best router I've ever used. I'm getting 800+Mbps over wifi 6 almost anywhere in the home (new-ish double storey) and even wifi 5 clients give me around 600 Mbps. These are the settings I'm using:
RAX200_2G: channel 6, up to 1200 Mbps
RAX200_5G1: channel 48, up to 4800 Mbs
RAX200_5G2: channel 157, up to 2400 Mbps
Mu-Mimo ON
Enable OFDMA ON (all)
Enable Beamforming ON
Try the above settings.
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
ok, after 10mins the 5G2 network is back.
I will add the settings one by one and wait 10minutes this time.
I will either find what caused it, or work out that I was being impatient because of my frustration....
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
If you're using a DFS channel (ch. 50-140) then it will take a few minutes for 5G2 become live. This is standard behaviour when using any DFS channel. Btw I suggest using ch. 128 on 5G2 if you don't have ch 149-161 available.
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
Hi,
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Re: RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)
Probably a silly question, but have you correctly fitted the 'wing' antennas? From the folding position, you push out the antennas and then push them down gently until they click into place.
Can I ask if your RAX200 is out in the open and not in an enclosed space such as a cupboard or utility space? Even the best router in the world will perform poorly if its signals aren't being properly propagated.
As a last resort, I suggest returning the RAX200 for a replacement as you may well have received a dud - if bought via Amazon then it should be very easy to do. Whilst the R7000 is/was a great router in its heyday, the RAX200 should blow this away for speeds, even on older wifi 5 clients.
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