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Can't get Time Machine to work with Nighthawk
Mac OS Mojave 10.14.3
Nighthawk(R) X4S R7800
Router Firmware Version V1.0.2.62 (just updated)
I bought a new 1TB Seagate SSD external HD. I formatted it according to the instructions low...
> [...] once the sparse image is mounted it winds up in Time Machine's
> privacy exclusion list [...]
What, exactly, does "privacy exclusion list" mean to you? Do you
mean the Options... > "Exclude these items from backups:" list, or
something which actually mentions "privacy" somewhere else, or what?
As usual, showing actual actions (commands) with their actual results
(error messages, LED indicators, ...) can be more helpful than vague
descriptions or interpretations.
If your backup destination is visible as part of your local file
system, then Time Machine _should_ exclude it from its backup to-do
list. Including the backup destination itself in the list of items to
back up would be circular.
> Does anyone have an idea how I can keep it out of Time Machine's
> privacy section?
Where, exactly, did you find this "privacy section"? About what,
exactly, are you talking?
antinode wrote:
in reply to this comment of mine:> [...] once the sparse image is mounted it winds up in Time Machine's
> privacy exclusion list [...]
>> What, exactly, does "privacy exclusion list" mean to you? Do you
>>mean the Options... > "Exclude these items from backups:" list, or
>>something which actually mentions "privacy" somewhere else, or what?
>> As usual, showing actual actions (commands) with their actual results
>>(error messages, LED indicators, ...) can be more helpful than vague
>>descriptions or interpretations.
Early on with Time Machine after it was introduced, (perhaps with Snow Leopard?) I learned that Time Machine's "exclusion list" or "privacy list" or even what I used "privacy exclusion list" referred to:
System Preferences -> Time Machine -> Options -> Exclude these items from backup
Even the tmutil man page refers to "exclusion" so that word and those phrases have just stuck in my head. Writing all of this out makes me appreciate your comment more that I should have used different language for the purposes here. I will take more care if I should post again.
>> If your backup destination is visible as part of your local file
>>system, then Time Machine _should_ exclude it from its backup to-do
>>list. Including the backup destination itself in the list of items to
>>back up would be circular.
Yes, I was slow catching up to that and that information was just stuck in my brain. It makes complete sense and I do understand your comment here.
> Does anyone have an idea how I can keep it out of Time Machine's
> privacy section?
> Where, exactly, did you find this "privacy section"? About what,
> exactly, are you talking?
As I mentioned at the start, I learned early on the ways I used to describe certain Time Machine Options , especially the use of words/phrases such as "exclusion list" as well as "privacy pane" in Time Machine's Options preferences. I belong to a few Mac Lists that all use, and accept, that type of terminology. Obviously this forum is different and I failed to consider that when I used the terms I did.
If you are interested, here is one site I was reading for reference while I was trying to sort this out:
advanced-time-machine-backups-multiple-sources-multiple-destinations/
where part of their descriptions say this:
"You should see the external drive listed in your exclusions. You can then select it and click on the – button below. You remove it from the exclusions in order to add it to the list to back up."
When posting to this forum I will definitely think differently about the terms I use. It is now easy to see how the way I intended to describe things did not come across in the manner I had hoped.
> Early on with Time Machine after it was introduced, (perhaps with Snow
> Leopard?) I learned that Time Machine's "exclusion list" or "privacy
> list" or even what I used "privacy exclusion list" referred to:
> System Preferences -> Time Machine -> Options -> Exclude these items
> from backupI don't see any "Options..." control on 10.5.8 (plain-old Leopard?).
I'm sure that you can find people calling the "Exclude these items"
list by all kinds of names, but not everyone will have heard all of
them. In general, using the exact wording shown by the program will be
less likely to confuse the reader. "exclusion" didn't bother me, but I
saw "privacy" nowhere, so it wasn't clear that I was looking at the same
thing as you. My knowledge is far from complete, so, for all I know,
there could easily be a real "privacy" thing somewhere.I had always thought of this feature as limiting storage
requirements, but I can see that it could be used to keep relatives from
exploring one's porn collection, too.
> When posting to this forum I will definitely think differently about
> the terms I use. [...]Communication in general works best when everyone uses the same
terminology. Around here, prople frequently invent their own technical
terms, and seem amazed when readers are baffled.
antinode wrote:<snipped>
@papagordie first commented:
> When posting to this forum I will definitely think differently about
> the terms I use. [...]>> Communication in general works best when everyone uses the same
>>terminology. Around here, prople frequently invent their own technical
>>terms, and seem amazed when readers are baffled.I agree with you 100% and was definitely not amazed when confusion resulted from my using certain terms. My mind was focusing on other aspects of this and I likely had too many simultaneous distractions.
The odd thing for me is that typically I show a path to what I am trying to describe as I might have included in a previous post: I would do this:
System Preferences -> Time Machine -> Options -> Exclude these items from backup
I initially tried to include pics but another member said they just showed up as blanks so I did not try to use pics any more. I need to research that and figure out why, after what seemed to be a correct upload, the pics did not display properly. No one else has commented on that so I don't know if that was just a single forum member or across the board.
However, back to the chat at hand - your points are excellent and well taken.
Thanks