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thinksinc
Mar 08, 2018Apprentice
Nighthawl R7800 QoS: Router itself appears as "Low" priority, can't change?
I've been having trouble with LAN speeds, and noticed that the QoS settings on many of my devices were lost and/or reverted back to "Low" or "Medium" settings when I had changed them to "High" or "Highest". Generally I have set my NAS devices, game consoles, computers, and mobile devices to "Highest".
In troubleshooting, I noticed that the entry for the R7800 Router itself in the "Attached Devices" section was set to LOW, which seemed odd to me. I tried changing the setting to "Highest" and hit Apply, but the setting won't take. (also tried "High"). Is it not possible (or for some reason not necessary?) to set the Router itself to have the highest possible level of bandwidth?
Thanks,
Robert
12 Replies
- FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
What FW version are you using?
Whats your ISP speeds UP and Down you pay for?
thinksincwrote:I've been having trouble with LAN speeds, and noticed that the QoS settings on many of my devices were lost and/or reverted back to "Low" or "Medium" settings when I had changed them to "High" or "Highest". Generally I have set my NAS devices, game consoles, computers, and mobile devices to "Highest".
In troubleshooting, I noticed that the entry for the R7800 Router itself in the "Attached Devices" section was set to LOW, which seemed odd to me. I tried changing the setting to "Highest" and hit Apply, but the setting won't take. (also tried "High"). Is it not possible (or for some reason not necessary?) to set the Router itself to have the highest possible level of bandwidth?
Thanks,
Robert
- thinksincApprentice
I'm using the latest available firmware, V1.0.2.44.
My ISP speeds are very fast: I am on Comcast's 1Gbps tier, and the built-in Ookla SpeedTest in the Netgear Router software is measuring my downstream at 516Mbps and upstream at 34Mbps.
-R
- FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
Since you have a 1Gb speed support, it's recommended that QoS isn't needed and will inhibit full 900Mb +- speeds. So do a factory reset on the router and set it up from scatch, configured Wifi and thats it's don't touch or configure QoS at all.
QoS isn't really needed on 1Gb ISP services.
thinksincwrote:I'm using the latest available firmware, V1.0.2.44.
My ISP speeds are very fast: I am on Comcast's 1Gbps tier, and the built-in Ookla SpeedTest in the Netgear Router software is measuring my downstream at 516Mbps and upstream at 34Mbps.
-R
- FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
QoS inhibits NAT HW accelleration which is needed for 1Gb ISP speeds.
Thanks.
- wase4711Luminary
agree 100%; I have gig speeds from cox, on r7800 QOS is turned OFF, and I get 950 up and down all day; when I turned on QOS, my speeds dropped, so dont bother with it with gig speeds
- thinksincApprentice
Thanks for the suggestions and feedback. I've gone ahead and done a factory reset and disabled QoS.
Question: should I also disable WMM (WiFi Multimedia) on all channels as well? WMM is the second tab under the QoS section, so not sure if the advice to disable QoS pertains to WMM as well.
I've also ordered an EdgeRouterLite to see if that improves my connectivity and speeds. I tried using one a couple of years ago and it was a nightmare to configure, but I checked out some YouTube videos and it doesn't seem too difficult these days.
- pec967Luminary
The problems with QoS mentioned in the original post of this thread would appear to have been introduced in firmware version 1.0.2.40. These problems have been reported to Netgear, along with what appears to be similar data entry problems in changing device names. If Netgear ever fixes these bugs, it would be interesting to test QoS with a 1 Gbps ISP service. The R7800 is one of the few routers in the http://smallnetbuilder.com router tests that loses less than 1% of its throughput when features like QoS are enabled (This is the CTF score of 99.4% in the SmallNetBuilder.com router tests).
The only major shortcomings of the R7800 in the SmallNetBuilder.com router tests are the HTTP tests, where the average performance is only ~25% of the max througput of a http server connected to a client with a direct (i.e., no switch) Gigabit Ethernet connection averaged over four file lengths ( i.e., 2KB, 10KB, 108KB, and 759KB) with 2,048 simultaneous http connections. In contrast, newer routers get 60%-68% on these tests. A concrete example probably makes this clearer. When the http server and client are directly connected with Gigabit Ethernet and the file size is 2KB, the combined throughput with 2,048 simultaneous connections is 600 Mbps; whereas, with the R7800 inserted (WAN to LAN) the throughput is only 10% of 600 Mbps or 60 Mbps. For the 759 KB file size, the direct connect throughput is 918 Mbps; whereas with the R7800 inserted the throughput is only 38% of 918 Mbps or 349 Mbps.
I have a 1 Gbps down and 50 Mbps up service from my ISP. I routinely see 920 Mbps down running speedtest.net to my local ISP. Speedtest.net typically uses four simultaneous tcp connections and a large file size. I do not use QoS.