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4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

MR88TrippinOnMy
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4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

So i see alot of topics about this but none of them have a step by step instructions how to fix NAT types on several xbox ones in the same househoold.

 

Everyone telling different things to do and its really frustrating that none of them have a step by step instruction.

 

So my queston is how do i set up my router Netgear AC1900 (R7000) to have a flawless NAT type open gameplay on our 4 xbox ones?

 

Thanks in advance

Model: R7000|AC1900 Smart WIFI Router
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FURRYe38
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

What is the Mfr and model# of the ISP modem? Built in router here?

 

Set NAT Filter to OPEN:

http://badmodems.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21&sid=e1dd5ec9d201b836ffd17f8b6f440c20

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MR88TrippinOnMy
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

i have a Draytak 2925 Serries modem

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MR88TrippinOnMy
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

so how do i have to set up my router to fix this?

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FURRYe38
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

This is a router if this is the one you have:

https://www.draytek.com/en/products/products-a-z/router.all/vigor2925-series

 

Do you have any information on the ISP modem?

 

Need to establish that your ISP modem doesn't have NAT and if your using a router in front of the R7000, you will be in a double NAT condition that will not work. You'll need to use the DMZ on the 1st router for the R7000s IP address it gets from the 1st router.

 

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MR88TrippinOnMy
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

oh you are right its a router, well can it be used as a modem because its directly connected to my fiber connection

Message 6 of 20
FURRYe38
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

Well, couple of options to get OPEN NAT on all xboxes. The first router will effect this so if you need to keep the use of this router, use it's DMZ for the IP address the R7000 router gets on it's WAN port. Then set the R7000 NAT Filter from Secure to OPEN. This changes the NAT type on the R7000 from Port Address Restricted to FULL Cone NAT which is preferred when having two or more game consoles connected at one time to same router.

 

Read that badmodems link I sent you. Has ALL info about this and how to set it up on NG routers. IF you can get the use of single NAT conditions or if needed, DMZ when you have two routers online.

 

Other option would be to remove the Draytek router from the configuration and use the R7000 soley as your main host router.

 

The Draytek router is not a modem. The Fiber opitic line is probably already converted to ethernet for you.

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MR88TrippinOnMy
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

thank you very much for the fast replies, i really appreciate it.

 

So i dont have to open the specific ports xbox live uses?

 

All i have to do is enable UPNP ? After i used DMZ for the IP address the R7000 router gets on it's WAN port from the first router?

 

Thanks again,

Message 8 of 20
FURRYe38
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

Correct. I've been able to set up 3 consoles by just using uPnP.

 

Yes if your going to need the 1st router, the use it's DMZ for the IP address the R7000 gets on it's WAN port.

 

You could use the 1st router as your main host router and set up the R7000 as a LAN to LAN AP, however I don't know if your 1st router has any kind of NAT filter support features or the ability to change it's NAT kind it uses. That would be something to contact the Mfr of this router about. Give the DMZ a try though. Set up some IP address reservations as awell for the game consoles on the R7000. Set one IP address reservation on the 1st router for the R7000 router. Input this IP address in to the 1st routers DMZ. Save and reboot everything.

 

To test the consoles, hold down the power button on ALL consoles until the consoles shuts off. Power on console one at a time. Check NAT status in the dash board network settings first, then in game. Graduate doing this for each game console. All should be open on the dashboard and in game if done right.

 

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Additional NG HW: C7800/CAX80/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi: CBK40, CBK752, RBK50, RBK853, RBK752, RBK953, SXK30 | NightHawk: R7000, R7800, R7960P, R8000, R8500, RAXE500, RAX50, XR450, EX7500/EX7700, GS308v3

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MR88TrippinOnMy
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

ok sounds like a plan 🙂

 

The first router doesnt support NAT filter option so i would have to try to use the DMZ function.

Should i enable UPNP on the first router as well or is this uesless since DMZ will be enabled for the Netgear router?

 

And wouldnt the ip reservations conflict with the UPNP support ? I thought UPNP wants to generate the IP's itself..

 

I will give this a try later on, not possible to do it now long story..

 

I will let you know how it works out.

 

Thanks!!

Message 10 of 20
FURRYe38
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

I would disable uPnP on the 1st router.

 

uPnP is port address not IP address.

 

My Setup ISP SparkLight | Internet Cable 1000↓/50↑ CM2000 Modem | Wifi Router RAXE50 and R8500(v.158) Router Mode | Switches NG GS105/8 | 

Additional NG HW: C7800/CAX80/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi: CBK40, CBK752, RBK50, RBK853, RBK752, RBK953, SXK30 | NightHawk: R7000, R7800, R7960P, R8000, R8500, RAXE500, RAX50, XR450, EX7500/EX7700, GS308v3

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MR88TrippinOnMy
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

one more thing (sadly i cant try it myself at the moment) i was wondering, making ip reservations in my router will give the xbox consoles a static ip? or do i first have to give the consoles a static ip in the xbox settings?

 

thanks again!

Message 12 of 20
FURRYe38
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

Reservations and Static is two different things.

Reservations are made ON the router for devices, while Static is an IP address set ON the device.

 

Set a reservation ON the router for your consoles. Set Automatic ON the consoles.

 

I would set up reservations ON the router starting at 192.168.1.195 thru .199 for the game consoles. After you get the reservations set on each console, do the hard reset on each console to power them down. Reboot everything after the R7000 is set. Reboot the 1st router as well after disabling uPnP and setting up DMZ for the R7000.

 

Check NAT status starting with one console.

My Setup ISP SparkLight | Internet Cable 1000↓/50↑ CM2000 Modem | Wifi Router RAXE50 and R8500(v.158) Router Mode | Switches NG GS105/8 | 

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MR88TrippinOnMy
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

ok! i hope it will work for me! i saw i can press accept solution so i will do that if it does work for me, and let you know how happy i am if it is fixed, have a good one 🙂

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FURRYe38
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

Hope it all works out. The 1st router maybe a factor in all this however DMZ should help with this. Keep us posted.

 

Good Luck.

 

My Setup ISP SparkLight | Internet Cable 1000↓/50↑ CM2000 Modem | Wifi Router RAXE50 and R8500(v.158) Router Mode | Switches NG GS105/8 | 

Additional NG HW: C7800/CAX80/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi: CBK40, CBK752, RBK50, RBK853, RBK752, RBK953, SXK30 | NightHawk: R7000, R7800, R7960P, R8000, R8500, RAXE500, RAX50, XR450, EX7500/EX7700, GS308v3

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MR88TrippinOnMy
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

i am about to try the setup, i was wondering if i should disable SIP ALG

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MR88TrippinOnMy
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

the draytak doesnt have NAT filter support options, thats why u dont want to use it anymore

Message 17 of 20
MR88TrippinOnMy
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

However it worked to get a open NAT type on all consoles, we still get random crashes to the dashboard while ingame (looks like when 4 player splitscreen is used this occurs)

 

I found some info about what i think is the problem:

 

"This should be a common scenario in shared housing worldwide: you’ve got one Internet connection coming into the house, into a router shared among two or more chumps. Chumps A and B each have an Xbox 360. Specifically, Chump A has one that sounds like an aircraft engine turbine – courtesy of Microsoft’s repair centre. Both chumps want to connect to Xbox Live at the same time and play some Rainbow Six Vegas. Unlike most other games, R6V should not be played under the influence of alcohol: it’s enraging enough playing it sober.

 

With most consumer routers sold today, this scenario should “automagically” work through the wonders of UPnP (Universal Plug n’ Play). This technology provides a method to forward ports through a NAT firewall based on a device request. In a standard PC setting, you might see this used for uTorrent or other P2P applications. Unfortunately, the wizard has failed to enchant my personal setup, and both chumps A and B experience a disconnection after about 20 minutes of gameplay. The disconnect is really more of a fraudulent excuse, as both chumps can reconnect immediately after receiving the message.

 

For some background as to why this issue occurs, it’s important to note that Xbox Live needs certain ports forwarded properly for an “Open” connection (best chance of matching). TCP 3074, UDP 3074 and UDP 88. Only one Xbox can open this set of ports at a time:

 

Xbox A (192.168.1.100) > Internal Port 3074 > Router > External Port 3074 > Xbox Live

 

Once this mapping is set in the UPnP table, no other system can occupy external port 3074. So the Xbox Live software picks another port in a similar range to communicate with Xbox Live:

 

Xbox B (192.168.1.101) > Internal Port 3074 > Router > External Port 3641 > Xbox Live

 

UPnP mapping unfortunately can run into conflicts if an Xbox loses its DHCP lease, or the mapping fails to be renewed on a regular basis. During this time, the external port mapping can “flip”, leaving Xbox B getting data from port 3074 instead of the alternately chosen 3641. In short, Xbox B gets the packets meant for Xbox A, causing the ‘heartbeat’ packets to Live to fail out. The result is an abrupt disconnection.

It’s not possible to merely set a static IP address for each Xbox: UPnP relies on the DHCP server in the router handing out addresses. If you set static addresses, your connection will be listed as “Moderate” NAT for at least one of your consoles.

We’ve replicated this problem on both the latest versions of Tomato and DD-WRT, running on a Linksys WRT54GL.

 

 

The Solution

Using either one of these alternate firmwares, a function called “Static DHCP” becomes available. In essence, it lets you provide a MAC address for a computer or other Ethernet-enabled device. When the network card in question attempts to get a DHCP lease for an IP address, the Static DHCP table takes over and will always assign the same IP address to the same device. This process has all the benefits of setting a static address, without having to change Windows or console settings.

What you’ll want to do is find your console’s MAC address. In Tomato and DD-WRT, you can likely find the device with an OUI code that matches Microsoft. DD-WRT provides this information in the Status > LAN tab.

 

Once you have the console MAC address, click over to the Services tab in DD-WRT, or the Basic > Static DHCPsection in Tomato. In DD-WRT, click the Add button if there are no more fields available. You’ll want to provide the Xbox MAC address and a new IP address – something below your normal DHCP range (usually 192.168.1.100 onward.) For example, we’ve picked 192.168.1.40 and 192.168.1.41 for two Xbox consoles.

 

Once you’re done making these changes in Tomato, remember to click the Save button at the bottom of the page. DD-WRT users should first click Save, and then Apply Settings when the page reloads.

Finally, return to Status > LAN (DD-WRT) or Status > Device List (Tomato) and remove any dynamic DHCP entries in the 192.168.1.100+ range for the consoles. Save and apply your settings, then go reboot the Xbox consoles and run a network test. It should pick up the new IP address and work properly for any Xbox Live activity."

 

 

This guy is talking about “Static DHCP” anyone can clarify this? 

Message 18 of 20
antinode
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

> This guy is talking about "Static DHCP" anyone can clarify this?

   Dreadful terminology: "Static Dynamic [...]".  When you get past the
gibberish, it sounds like what Netgear (less contradictorily) calls a
"reserved" (DHCP) address.  Perhaps: ADVANCED > Setup > LAN Setup :
Address Reservation.

   Traditionally/rationally, a _static_ address is one assigned to a
device in its own configuration, without reference to a DHCP server.  A
_reserved_ address is a dynamic address, assigned by a DHCP server, but
always the same for a particular device.  You could describe either as a
"fixed" address.

   "dynamic DHCP", "dynamic Dynamic [...]", is similarly
silly/redundant.

   I know nothing, but I wouldn't expect reserved addresses to make much
difference in this case.  When a DHCP lease expires and is renewed, I'd
expect the DHCP server to renew the lease on the same address, not
issue some new-and-different one.  In which case, what's the benefit of
reserving a particular address for any device?  But, reserving an
address for a device is generally harmless, so you should be able to run
the experiment without causing any new problems.  I just don't see any
reason to expect it to help.  But what do I know?  (I even think that
"static" and "dynamic" are mutually exclusive.)

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MR88TrippinOnMy
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Re: 4 xbox one in same house using my Netgear AC1900 (R7000)

the xboxes are fighting to use the same ports xbox live use? thats the issue i think?

 

any help to make them all use the same xbox live ports?

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