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Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

MVC72
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Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

I'm lookin to replace my R7000 (4 years old).

I like the X6S (R8000P). I think the X10 is overpriced, and many of its features are not really usable without additional hardware (ex: wifi protocol AD). But then the XR500 came out, and it looks amazing.

I need to connect 20+ wireless devices, 4k streaming, and and I need coverage for a large home, 1 floor. I'm a casual gamer (1 Xbox 1 and 1 PS4, 1 PC).

I'm really interested in Duma OS which is available only in the XR500, but I'm not sure if it can handle all my devices, as well as 4k video streaming. Also, I'm not sure about the coverage.

 

The hardware on the X6S looks much better compared to the XR500, but lacks the Duma OS. Also, I understand the XR500 is the same hardware platform as the R7800, which I believe has lower specs compared to the X6S.

 

The XR500 IS the best router for gaming, no doubt about it, but can it handle everything else?

 

Hoping someone can help me out.

Model: R8000P|Nighthawk X6S—AC4000 Tri-Band WiFi Router
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microchip8
Master

Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

yes, hardware-wise the XR500 should be able to handle "everything else". I run an R7800 which is the same hardware as the XR500 and have no issues streaming to multiple devices at the same time, both FHD and 4K content, over wireless and wired

 

That said, the XR500 is specifically made for hardcore gamers. While it can service as a general router, that's not its focus. 

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microchip8
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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

Also, if you require MU-MIMO, your only choice is a QCA-based router as Broadcom is still struggling with working MU-MIMO. 

 

While the R8000P may seem "more powerful", do note that the R7800/XR500 use Krait CPUs from QCA as opposed to generic ARM ones made by Broadcom. In addition, the R7800/XR500 have dual-core dedicated packet processing engines while Broadcom relies on **bleep**ty CTF

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MVC72
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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

My actual ISP speed is  around 100Mbps, so I guess, it shouldn’t be a problem for these routers. Right?

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microchip8
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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

No issues at 100 Mbps. I have 400/40 and have no issues either. Also a Gbps link for the R7800 is not a problem, as per testing from SNB

 

https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/32958-netgear-r7800-nighthawk-x4s-smart-wi...

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microchip8
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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

You cannot expect it to hit an exact 1 Gbps, as there are other variables involved. As you see, other brand routers perform similary. I've seen reports of people hitting up to 950 Mbps on an R7000. If the outdated R7000 can do it, an R7800 most definitely can

 

Also, Tim from SNB changed how it does the testing. I recall a "slight performance drop" may be visible in the testing but don't quote me on that as I have to go read it once again to refresh my memory

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microchip8
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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

You use stuff that doesn't disable CTF. This is tricky, since CTF is closed-source Broadcom blob and who knows when it really gets disabled or not. If you want tests and proof the R7000 can hit very close to Gbps speeds, look at SNB testing, table 3 https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/32239-ac1900-first-look-netgear-r7000-a-as...

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microchip8
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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

I know firmware can introduce issues, i've seen it myself here. Also IIRC, this test was done with the older testing method so values may be slightly inflated

 

Anyways, the OP has an 100 Mbps link and any of the routers can handle that. I have a 400/40 (as advertised by ISP) but can never hit exact 400. My best is around ~385-390 Mbps. Not a limitation of my router and ISP even mentions that you may never get a rounded 400 due to various effects. Other people have 500 Mbps links and can exceed it, but I suspect the ISP is over-provisioning in this case

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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)


@MVC72 wrote:

 

The XR500 IS the best router for gaming, no doubt about it, ...

 


That is the whole point of the XR500. But, as @Case850 says, on the hardware front it is effectively a slightly tweaked R7800 put into a hideous box. It may not do quote the same "go fast" tricks as some hardware.

 

It has very fine QoS controls, far too powerful for the average punter. If you haven't done so already, check out what the DumaOS does.

 

From working on the beta tests, the good news is that the Duma crew is quicker to respond than Netgear's techies.

Just another user.

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Message 9 of 19
microchip8
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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

Most "casual gamer's" wouldn't consider the XR500. It's not like you can't game on the other R8000P option or the R7800. It's also a lot of money to throw at for the XR500

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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)


@microchip8 wrote:

It's also a lot of money to throw at for the XR500

 


Sound advice.

 

The Amazon UK price for the XR500 is £239.96 – significantly dearer that the R7800 at £152.98.

 

As @Case850 points out, the XR500 is effectively an R7800. It has new firmware and a few very minor tweaks to the specifications. Oh, and a hideous case.

 

 

Just another user.

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Message 11 of 19
microchip8
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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

@michaelkenward

 

Case850 didn't point out it's virtually identical to the R7800 hardware-wise. I did, read my first two posts. Unless you're referring to some other thread where Case850 did that

 

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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)


@microchip8 wrote:

@michaelkenward

 

Case850 didn't point out it's virtually identical to the R7800 hardware-wise. I did, read my first two posts. Unless you're referring to some other thread where Case850 did that

 


Yes.  @Case850 has said this elsewhere.

 

Here, for example:

 

Re: R8000 or the XR500? - NETGEAR Communities

 

You may be able to find more. This is by no means the first discussion about the XR500.

 

It is not news. Some of us were involved in beta tests in the run up to the launch of the XR500. We did this on the R7800. That is how I know that the specifications are very similar.

Just another user.

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microchip8
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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

@michaelkenward

 

Still, you should give credit where credit is due, within the thread itself not outside of it. Would you like me to take credit for something you posted in another thread and not mentioning that thread at all until you point it out? I doubt that

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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

To be honest, I don't care who says what as long as it is accureate. I'm not here for credit. Just to help people.

 

From my memory, the first person on this forum to mention that the XR500 is effectively internally the same as the R7800 was @Case850, one of the "top posters" in this forum.

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microchip8
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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

Maybe you should care as not to offend others? It doesn't matter that Case850 has mentioned what I posted in this thread  in some other thread. That's not how it works. Also, it doesn't matter that he's a top poster. But since you did some alpha, beta, gamma, omega, and God knows what testing for NG with him, maybe he's your buddy and deserves all credit, regardless if mentioned in this thread or another one

 

Tell you what, since saying "sorry" is too hard for you, I will take all credit for your posts, provided I have already mentioned what you say in another thread. Deal?

 

Now I remember why I left this forum a year ago, because of people like you. I guess it's time to leave again. But since you don't care, what does it matter?

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microchip8
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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

@Case850

 

Thank you very much for acknowledging. That was all I asked for. At least on my part, the issue is closed now 🙂

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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)

Here's an odd wrinkle on the XR500/R7800 saga.

 

This just appeared in the "Idea Exchange For Home" section:

 

Support for OpenVPN client - ejquo23388

 


Status changed to: Implemented

We have implemented OpenVPN Client for "HMA" on XR500 Nighthawk Pro Gaming Router and for "PureVPN" on Nighthawk X4S (https://kb.netgear.com/000055200/R7800-Firmware-Version-1-0-2-46).

 

Note that the text says XR500, but the link goes out to the support for the R7800.

 

Unfortunately, the embedded link does not work. Try this one of you are interested:

 

R7800 Firmware Version 1.0.2.46 | Answer | NETGEAR Support

 

 

Just another user.

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Message 18 of 19
schumaku
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Re: Before I buy (XR500 or R8000P)


@michaelkenward wrote:

This just appeared in the "Idea Exchange For Home" section:  

Status changed to: Implemented

We have implemented OpenVPN Client for "HMA" on XR500 Nighthawk Pro Gaming Router and for "PureVPN" on Nighthawk X4S (https://kb.netgear.com/000055200/R7800-Firmware-Version-1-0-2-46). 

Note that the text says XR500, but the link goes out to the support for the R7800.


No, the text does talk of both the OpenVPN Client for "HMA" on XR500 Nighthawk Pro Gaming Router _and_ "PureVPN" on Nighthawk X4S. No indication the XR500 OpenVPN Client for "HMA" was already available with 2.2.1.10 - the last released XR500 firmware version from 23 March 2018. Some more patience might be required to a release.

Allowing only one VPN provider per model is a joke anyway, have already complained in the "Idea Exchange for Home" thread. 

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