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Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?

Hi all

As we all know the X6 can only handle a max of 32 connections simultaneously

https://kb.netgear.com/24043/How-many-clients-can-you-connect-wirelessly-to-a-NETGEAR-router

 

BUT is it possible to connect a second X6 to the first X6 to create TWO seperate networks thus creating a home network with a whopping 64 connections????

 I need more then 32 connections for my smart home!

Any thoughts or ideas?

Routing: Nighthawk X6 R8000 AC 3200 Router
Access Points: Nighthawk EX7000 AC1900 Access Points x 2
Model: R8000|Nighthawk X6 AC3200 Smart WIFI Router
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Re: Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?

> As we all know the X6 can only handle a max of 32 connections
> simultaneously
> https://kb.netgear.com/24043

 

   What "we all know" may differ from what you believe.  When I read
that KB doc, I see:

 

      NETGEAR home routers can accommodate up to 32 clients per wireless
      band.  If your router is dual band, the total wireless clients your
      router can handle is 64 (32 for the 2.4GHz and 32 for the 5GHz).

 

> I need more then 32 connections for my smart home!

 

   Your R8000 has three radios, 1* 2.4GHz, 2* 5GHz.  What, exactly, is
your problem?

 

   How many 2.4GHz-only devices have you?

 

> Access Points: Nighthawk EX7000 AC1900 Access Points x 2


   Don't those help?  (Why not?)

 

> BUT is it possible to connect a second X6 to the first X6 to create
> TWO seperate networks thus creating a home network with a whopping 64
> connections????

 

   Define "seperate networks".  Most likely, you don't really want two
routers with two subnets.  You could use a second R8000 as a (yet
another?) wireless access point, but why?

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Re: Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?

Hi Antinode

 

Sorry i should have specified the 2.4ghz network I have hardly any devices that use 5ghz network. allthough I know there is capacity to run 32 items on that radio too.

 

> I need more then 32 connections for my smart home!

   How many 2.4GHz-only devices have you?

 

about 40 at present i had to disconnect a load of smart plugs as the network stopped allowing some smart phones to connect so had to sacrifice the smart plugs as the tablets and android phones were more important but want to add about another 25 on the 2.4 ghz if possible. 

 

> Access Points: Nighthawk EX7000 AC1900 Access Points x 2


   Don't those help?  (Why not?)

Nope as they are classed as a connection and they cant be used to add more connections IE you could have 10 connections to each AP but you could then only attach 12 to the main X6 Router for a total of 32 on the 2.4ghz unfortunately

 

> BUT is it possible to connect a second X6 to the first X6 to create
> TWO seperate networks thus creating a home network with a whopping 64
> connections on the 2.4ghz????

 

   Define "seperate networks".  Most likely, you don't really want two
routers with two subnets.  You could use a second R8000 as a (yet
another?) wireless access point, but why? 

I dont want another wireless AP just want some way of running about 50 2.4GHZ devices with Netgear equipment that i have. But maybe this is not possible?

 

What Im really trying to do is connect about 50 devices to my 2.4ghz network. Yes i know there are 32 5ghz available but the vast majority of my IOT is 2.4ghz

 

I have 

 

6 x Google Homes

6 x Chromecasts

Ring Pro

Nest

Loads of androids and tablets

15 TP Link Wifi Smart plugs (10 currently unplugged due to capacity limit)

basically i need about another 20 2.4 connections. is there anyway to do that?

 

Routing: Nighthawk X6 R8000 AC 3200 Router
Access Points: Nighthawk EX7000 AC1900 Access Points x 2
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Re: Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?

> [...] I have hardly any devices that use 5ghz network. allthough I
> know there is capacity to run 32 items on that radio too.

 

   32 on _each_ of the two 5GHz radios in an R8000?

 

> Nope as they are classed as a connection and they cant be used to add
> more connections IE you could have 10 connections to each AP but you
> could then only attach 12 to the main X6 Router for a total of 32 on the
> 2.4ghz unfortunately

 

   I don't understand.  How are these EX7000 "Range Extenders" connected
to the router?  I read:

 

> Access Points: Nighthawk EX7000 AC1900 Access Points x 2

 

as meaning that the EX7000 units were configured as wireless access
points, not as "Range Extenders".  When they're configured as wireless
access points, I'd expect client devices connected to them to appear to
the router as wired devices, not wireless, hence not contributing to
that "32" limit.

 

   Visit http://netgear.com/support , put in your extenders' model
number, and look for Documentation.  Get the User Manual. Look for
"Install the Extender as an Access Point".


> I dont want another wireless AP just want some way of running about 50
> 2.4GHZ devices with Netgear equipment that i have. But maybe this is
> not possible?

 

   I'd expect it to be possible with one router and two EX7000 units,
but perhaps not if your EX7000 "Range Extenders" are configured as
range extenders, rather than as WAPs.

 

> [...] the vast majority of my IOT is 2.4ghz

 

   Fancier junk would help, too, but I can't say that I've ever seen a
5GHz power controller.  However, with three different 2.4GHz access
points (R8000 + 2* EX7000-as-WAP), I don't see why you'd have a problem.
You might want to use different SSIDs for the different access points,
so that you could control which client device connects to which AP, for
load balancing.

 

   You might consider providing a more precise description of how your
networking stuff, especially the EX7000 units, is/are configured.

Message 4 of 14

Re: Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?

Hi Ok sorry maybe im bad at explaining my set up is as follows

 

Virgin Super Hub 3 

Nighthawk X6 Router 

Ethernet Cable to two Ex7000's configured as Access Points.

Ok forget about the EX7000s for a second/

 

I guess in a nut shell what i am asking is IF i bought another X6 Router could i daisy chain the two of them off my one Virgin Super hub 3 and thus double my 2.4GHZ capacity to 64 instead of 32?

 

Basically i just want more 2.4ghz connection capacity more than what the X6 can give me on 2.4ghz as its limited to 32 devices on that channel

Routing: Nighthawk X6 R8000 AC 3200 Router
Access Points: Nighthawk EX7000 AC1900 Access Points x 2
Message 5 of 14
Guru

Re: Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?

> [...] maybe im bad at explaining my set up is as follows [...]

 

   Still not good enough.

 

> Virgin Super Hub 3

 

   This?:

 

      https://store.virginmedia.com/discover/broadband/explore/fast-wireless.html

 

   Configured as a modem-only, or as a modem+router?

 

> Nighthawk X6 Router

 

   Configured as a router, or as a WAP?  And if it's not a WAP, then
why not?  Does it have some special router features which you need (and
which the Virgin Super Hub 3 lacks), or does it have better wireless
capability than the Virgin Super Hub 3, or what?  Why do you have the
R8000?  If you have two routers acting as routers, then why do you have
two routers acting as routers?


> Ethernet Cable to two Ex7000's configured as Access Points.

 

   "Ethernet Cable" from _what_ "to two Ex7000's [...]"?

 

> Ok forget about the EX7000s for a second/

 

   Why?  Why don't they solve your 32-client problem?

 

> [...] what i am asking is IF i bought another X6 Router could i daisy
> chain the two of them off my one Virgin Super hub 3 and thus double my
> 2.4GHZ capacity to 64 instead of 32?

 

   Define "daisy chain".  Which do you mean?:

 

      Super_Hub --- R8000.1 --- R8000.2
or:

      R8000.1 --- Super_Hub --- R8000.2


> Basically i just want more 2.4ghz connection capacity more than what
> the X6 can give me on 2.4ghz as its limited to 32 devices on that
> channel [...]

 

   Basically, that should be easy, using those two EX7000-as-WAP units.
Or, by using the Virgin Super hub 3 as a wireless router, and using the
R8000 as a WAP.  I still don't see why you're hitting any 32-client
limit.

 

   You seem desperate to buy another R8000.  That's fine with me, but
I'd prefer to understand the actual problem before I'd advise buying
anything.  You could, for example, buy another router (R8000 or other),
configure it as a WAP, and (cable-)connect it to your router (whether
that's the Virgin Super hub 3 or the first R8000).  Whether that would
do more for you than the existing EX7000-as-WAP units should already be
doing is not clear to me.

Message 6 of 14

Re: Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?

Ok so I have

360mb fibre connection to super hub in modem mode.
Connected to super hub in modem mode via cat5 I have the X6. Connected to the X6 I have two ex7000s via cat5 cable also.
Routing: Nighthawk X6 R8000 AC 3200 Router
Access Points: Nighthawk EX7000 AC1900 Access Points x 2
Message 7 of 14

Re: Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?

I initially had the super hub only but wanted more 2.4ghz connections. The guy in currys said the x6 could run 60 plus 2.4 ghz devices concurently so that's why I got it the x6 is my router

Modem. Virgin super hub 3
Router. X 6 nighthawk
Second floor AP1 connected by cat 5 x6
Attic AP2 connected by cat 5 to x6
Routing: Nighthawk X6 R8000 AC 3200 Router
Access Points: Nighthawk EX7000 AC1900 Access Points x 2
Message 8 of 14
Guru

Re: Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?

> I initially had the super hub only but wanted more 2.4ghz connections.
> [...]

 

   Ok.  So why not use the R8000 as a WAP to supplement the Virgin Super
Hub 3 wireless?  Or, if you already had the two EX7000-as-WAPs, then
what would the R8000 buy you?

 

> [...] The guy in currys said the x6 could run 60 plus 2.4 ghz devices
> concurently so that's why I got it the x6 is my router

 

   Trust no one, I always say.  But I still don't see why you'd bump
into a 32-client limit if you used the EX7000-as-WAP units for some
devices.  Around here, for example, with a D7000[v1] router and an
R7000-as-WAP, I see BASIC > Attached Devices reports (parts of) which
look like the following:

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

 

    D7000    Firmware Version V1.0.1.70_1.0.1


    Status   Device Name   IP Address   MAC Address     Connection Type

 

Wired Devices

 

    Allowed     MBA         10.0.0.29     00:23:6C:87:9C:83    Wired
    Allowed     R7000      10.0.0.225   C4:04:15:1A:19:F7    Wired

 

Wireless Devices (Wireless intruders also show up here)

 

    Allowed    ORVIBO-01   10.0.0.121   AC:CF:23:9C:B2:14    Wireless


(One of my Internet-of-Junk devices with a direct-to-router connection.)

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

 

Nighthawk R7000    Operation Mode:Access Point

Firmware Version V1.0.9.60_10.2.60

 

    Connection Type    Device Name    IP Address    MAC Address


    5G Wireless        MBA            10.0.0.29     00:23:6C:87:9C:83


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

 

   That is, on the R7000-as-WAP, a MacBook ("MBA") appears as a wireless
client, but the same device is seen as "Wired" on the D7000-as-router,
because that's how the router sees that device's connection.  (The
"wire" in this case being the one between the D7000-as-router and the
R7000-as-WAP.)

   I have no experience with either an R8000 or an EX7000, but I'd
expect any router and any WAP to behave the same way as my two gizmos.
Thus, with one R8000-as-router and two EX7000-as-WAPs, I'd expect no
particular trouble if you spread 90 2.4GHz devices evenly among the

three access points, so what could go wrong with only 60?

 

   Similarly, if you used the Virgin Super Hub 3 as your (only) router,
and removed the R8000-as-router, leaving the Virgin Super Hub 3 and

the two EX7000-as-WAPs.

 

> You might want to use different SSIDs for the different access points,
> so that you could control which client device connects to which AP, for
> load balancing.

 

   Still true.  Of course, I know nothing about your SSIDs.

Message 9 of 14

Re: Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?

Virgin Super Hub had bad wireless signal and a max amount of concurrent users of about 20 on the 2.4ghz

Virgin Super Hub 3:

  Entry Level Modem Router

  Max users 20 per radio

  Wirless Range Poor

  Traffic Management Poor

 

Netgear Nighthawk X6

  Top End Consumer dedicated Router

  Max Users 32 per radio

  Wireless Range Excellent

  Traffic Management Excellent

 

The 32 Client limit on either radio comes from the X6 Router

The WAPS wont allow any more device connections if the X6 allready has 32 concurrent connections connected directly to it or via WAPS or Extenders

You can still see their network SSID but if you try to attach it wont allow you. ( I have 6 SSID's) 2.4 and 5ghz on all three nighthawks to differentiate bands.

 

Whether you have 2 WAPs or 5 WAPS it still depends on how many concurrent devices the router can handle. 

 

Thus, with one R8000-as-router and two EX7000-as-WAPs, I'd expect no
particular trouble if you spread 90 2.4GHz devices evenly among the

three access points, so what could go wrong with only 60?

 

Therein lies the Problem the WAPS are limited by the X6 Router it cant give the WAPS extra connections as its firmware has detected 32 concurrent devices and locks any more devices out. There is no way to get anything more connected to either the X6 Router or either of the WAPS the 32 devices load whatever way you have it spread over the devices it still can only handle 32 per radio.

 

Example 2.4GHZ Radio Band

X6 Router (20 Concurrent Connections)

EX7000 (10 Concurrent Connections)

EX7000 2 (2 Concurrent Connections)

 

in the above example if you try to connect any more devices  to any part of the network while all those 32 devices are connected be it the router or either of the access points they wont connect as the 32 concurrent clients have been met on that radio. You will get message saying network not available or something like that

It doesnt matter what way the load is balanced

 

2.4ghz Load balance below

 

X6         WAP-1           WAP-2

10 ---------10---------------12

30----------1------------------1

5------------5------------------22

 

No matter what way you configure or load balance it must allways equate to a max of 32 concurrent clients per radio.

 

Yes you can have 100 plus devices but never any more then 32 devices concurretly connected to either radio at same time

Routing: Nighthawk X6 R8000 AC 3200 Router
Access Points: Nighthawk EX7000 AC1900 Access Points x 2
Message 10 of 14
Master

Re: Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?

Next bump up toward commercial grade maybe what is in order. 

Consumer grade routers are going to need to rethink what a home network really is with all the smart devices coming on line. More everyday. 

Have not seen what the rax80  is rated for client wise yet. Bet not enough. 

 

My AP's are spected at 200 clients per. However, that is more toward the commercial side. 

--Bill
ISP Comcast, Modem-Netgear CM1150V, Router-Unifi Security Gateway-Pro4, AP-2 Unifi AP-LR
Tesla > Edison
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Re: Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?

Hi Myer
Yes I have checked the following
All consumer grade routers are max at 32 devices per channel
Asus most expensive router 480 euro max 32 connections per radio whether it's the cheapest 50 euro router to the most expensive Asus 500 euro router there is no more than 32 devices that can connect on 2.4ghz.
I see on your handle signature your using ubiquity unify AP's. Im going to invest in two of them either the LR or HD. Do you still run your standard Netgear with these or do you have the full ubiquity setup? Heard they are bullet proof !
Routing: Nighthawk X6 R8000 AC 3200 Router
Access Points: Nighthawk EX7000 AC1900 Access Points x 2
Message 12 of 14
Master

Re: Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?


@Eric_Cartman wrote:
Hi Myer
Yes I have checked the following
All consumer grade routers are max at 32 devices per channel
Asus most expensive router 480 euro max 32 connections per radio whether it's the cheapest 50 euro router to the most expensive Asus 500 euro router there is no more than 32 devices that can connect on 2.4ghz.
I see on your handle signature your using ubiquity unify AP's. Im going to invest in two of them either the LR or HD. Do you still run your standard Netgear with these or do you have the full ubiquity setup? Heard they are bullet proof !

No Netgear routers on network Do have a Netgear modem and Arlo cameras, both of which just run, unlike the r8000 and r8000p I had and have sold. 

As you can see from sig I have a Ubiquiti Unfi Security Gateway Pro4(Ubiquiti speak for router) and 2 Unifi AP's. They just work for me. You will need a PC of some kind to run the manager software, or do like I do and run it on a Rasberry Pi.

--Bill
ISP Comcast, Modem-Netgear CM1150V, Router-Unifi Security Gateway-Pro4, AP-2 Unifi AP-LR
Tesla > Edison
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Re: Can I Connect two Nighthawk X6 Routers together to get 60 Simultaneous Connections possible?

I have many of these exact same items and many more with about 90 total items running off a new RAX80 wireless router, mostly on 2.4 GHz. My old D-Link worked as well but slow responses. The new router has very fast device response.
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