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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

Redtulips7
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Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

What is the major performance difference in-between R8000 & R7000 besides their style or appearance? Is it worthy to upgrade? Is the new firmware fix most if not all of the problem?
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garyrh
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

For me I have had both with the new firmware for the R8000 it has fixed all my issues that I have had. I have been running it for over a week now with no wireless slow downs or loss of IPv6 connections. I have been using smart connect with no problems. I had to reboot the router every two days with the older firmware releases. The R7000 I had problems with IPv6 staying connected after three days and had to reboot to get it back and that was the only issue. That may get fixed with later firmware's.
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Redtulips7
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

So which one is better?
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Retired_Member
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

I have both and didn't pay a dime for either. The r8000 is on the shelf once again and the r7000 is working fine. The r8000 seems to take more time to load pages.
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601] Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\Users\>ping 192.168.1.1 -t Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 the above is r7000 via 5g same test with r8000 is 2~3 ms
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garyrh
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

Redtulips7 wrote:
So which one is better?


For me R8000 and I have no problems with pages loading slowly.
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Redtulips7
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

Can you ping it ping 192.168.1.1
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garyrh
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.3.9600]
(c) 2013 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\WINDOWS\system32>ping 192.168.1.1 -t

Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64

My computer is not wireless so it would not be fair test for you to compare.
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Redtulips7
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

I get the same result from Desktop with R7000
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bitseizure
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

While the latency from a local machine to the router is one test, it is not the only test that I would rely upon for purchasing.

My more recent routers range from the DIR-825 to the Netgear WNDR4500 (N900) to the R8000.

From my observations, the R7000 and R8000 are very similar hardware generations with an additional 5Ghz band. The software is not as mature as it needs to be for the R8000 yet. There is no WDS / good repeater support for instance. When I say mature, I don't mean stable, although there are a few bugs to be worked out - expect some more, as they are changing the code. I'm guessing that Netgear is trying to figure out how to fully utilize / work with the additional 5Ghz band in a repeater configuration - but it's really a guess. A big plus that is as advertised and expected, the signal strength is stronger and reaches further than the WNDR4500 in my house.

Going from the WNDR4500 to the R8000, I gained bandwidth from wireless clients over 5Ghz measuring by the various bandwidth speed test sites over time with multiple runs. The latency was comparable because it was already low. I'm no longer an avid, hardcore gamer, so the super low latency isn't what I measure. However, the ISP typically matters more than your router and if you really want reliable low latency, directly connected is the best.

Anyway, I'm holding off purchasing my 2nd R8000 until Netgear matures the firmware and adds the features that I require. I hope that Netgear stays focused on improving this model's firmware as the flagship. Please make sure that any WDS or repeater scenarios are secure!

Ultimately, if you want to try it, buy it where you can return if it doesn't meet your needs.
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qwert
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

Basically R8000 = R7000 + one more 11ac 5G radio

If you have multiple 5G WiFi wireless devices at home, especially if there is an 11ac device, R8000 will be very helpful. Not only because R8000 gives you one extra band for bandwidth, but it could also secure your 11ac speed.

So think about this, if you have 2 x 11n 5G devices at home around the same distance to a R7000, suppose the throughput for one device alone is about 60mbps, then each device can get about 30mbps when both devices are accessing the network at the same time. This is because the two devices are using the same RF band and they have to share the bandwidth. When the router is R8000, you can have each 5G device connecting to
separate 5G band, then each device can get 60mpbs througput at the same time in the same scenario.

Furthermore, suppose the 2 x 5G devices you have is 1 x 11n device and 1 x 11ac device, and, as in the previous case, the throughput for the 11n device alone is 60mbps and the throughput for the 11ac device alone is 90mbps. When the router is R7000 and the two devices are sending packets at the same time, each device will get about 36mbps throughput. This is because the two devices have equal opportunity to send their packets; the high-speed device uses less air time to send its packets and, comparatively, the low-speed device gets more air time. Hence the high-speed device cannot get its fair 1/2 air time and cannot get its fair throughput of 90 / 2 = 45mbps. Contrarily the low-speed device gets more than 1/2 air time and it can reach more than 60 /2 = 30mbps throughput. When the router is R8000, as in the previous case, there is no air time sharing, and the 11n device can get 60mbps throughput while the 11ac device can get 90 mbps throughput. In the case of 2 x 11n devices, 2 x 11ac devices and in the same distance as in the previous cases, the aggregated throughput for the 4 devices together is about 72mbps if the router has only 1 x 5G band radio. With a 2 x 5G band router like R8000, you can have 2 x 11n devices connecting to one band and 2 x 11ac devices connecting to the other, then you can get aggregated 60mbps in the band for 11n devices and aggregated 90mbps in the band for 11ac devices. That's 72 mbps vs. 150 mbps difference in such a case.
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Redtulips7
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

What about the range on 5Ghz Band compare to R7000?Is it same or improve?
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Message 12 of 18
Retired_Member
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

After all the fluff and puff you'd be better off using two r7000's one in AP mode connected via cat XX in opposite end of you home.


The connection rate drops as the signal drops off. It's basically impossible to predict every scenario but one thing is certain having two AP's spread apart is better than one.


The rf output between them should be the same. The r7000 uses a different antenna which may give it a slight edge.
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bitseizure
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

Redtulips7 wrote:
What about the range on 5Ghz Band compare to R7000?Is it same or improve?


The R8000 was a range (and bandwidth) improvement over the WNDR4500 (N900) for non AC devices. I have not used the R7000.
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VE6CGX
Master

Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

Redtulips7 wrote:
So which one is better?


Hi,
I returned R8000 and got R7500 replacing R7000 running on dd-wrt. IMO, simply R8000 is R7000 with one more 5G radio. R7500 is really some thing new and I hope this model pans out as intended. Interesting thing is those two 5G radios put out signals not at same strength. One running on higher channels gives better signal strength. Two radios are not equal in that regard, IMO.
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Mars Mug
Virtuoso

Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

VE6CGX wrote:
Interesting thing is those two 5G radios put out signals not at same strength. One running on higher channels gives better signal strength.


There are often restrictions, including transmit power, which apply to the different 5GHz channels, and the restrictions can vary from country to country.

e.g. see here (the 5GHz section) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels

And here (pretty much the same but a little easier to read maybe?) http://www.digitalairwireless.com/wireless-blog/t-wifi/quick-guide-to-5ghz-uk-part-2.html
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chener
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

Since the antenna design appears to be quite different, one would expect the radio performance to differ.

Can anyone comment on the improvements in 5GHz range?
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Redtulips7
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Re: Is r8000 better than r7000?yes or no and why?

All the review proves that it range not better than R7000
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