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Verizon LTE modem + Netgear Router/Switch?

jeffs95033
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Verizon LTE modem + Netgear Router/Switch?

Can a Netgear router or switch (like GS608) be connected to one of the LAN outputs of a Verizon LTE Internet+Phone (aka Broadband+Voice) to successfully expand the number of wired devices? I have 2 PCs, 3 A/V components and a network drive that need to exchange video content among each other (40GB files) and/or from Internet (1GB streaming), and I want to avoid Wifi slow-down. I have a R7000, but Verizon tech has no info about compatibility or alternative expansion.

Model: R7500|Nighthawk X4 AC2350 Smart WiFi Router
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StephenB
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Re: Verizon LTE modem + Netgear Router/Switch?


@jeffs95033 wrote:

 even though all devices below the switch appear to the router on only one of its LAN ports, they'll still get assigned unique IP addresses by DHCP and avoid address collisions, right?


Yes, they will get DHCP-assigned IP addresses.

 

Here's a rough idea of what goes on (likely more than you want to know...).

 

All ethernet packets also include source/destination mac addresses (in addition to the source/destination IP addresses).  These addresses are normally built into the ethernet chips themselves (though routers and some other devices let you set them).

 

The network stack in your client will learn the destination mac address for every packet it sends, using a protocol called arp.  If the destination isn't on the subnet, the destination mac address is the mac address of the router lan port.  It remembers this mac address (for every IP address) so it doesn't need to do this for every packet.

 

Ethernet switches automatically learn what mac addresses are sending traffic through them on every port.  If the ethernet switch already recognizes the destination mac address, the packet is automatically sent to the right LAN connection, and the router never sees the packet.

 

If it doesn't recognize the destination, then it broadcasts the packet (so the whole network, including the router) will receive it.  The router doesn't route it, it just ignores it.  When a response packet comes back (which it will at some point), the router updates it's mac address tables.

 

So once the system is up and running, local subnet traffic never touches the router.  The LAN ports of the router usually also functions as a hardware ethernet switch, so the processor in the router also shouldn't get engaged with local LAN traffic.  Wifi->LAN, WiFi->internet and LAN->internet traffic always do pass the router's processor.   The implication here is that the switch might not be necessary to prevent the original concern you posted, but it certainly will ensure that local LAN traffic stays off the router connection.  And later on if you deployed a 10gbit lan (upgrading to a 10gib switch), your local traffic could run at much higher speeds than the router can handle.

 

 

 

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StephenB
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Re: Verizon LTE modem + Netgear Router/Switch?

What is the Verizon device model?

 

In general, switches will keep local traffic off the router.  All my ethernet devices are connected via switches, with one ethernet connection from the main switch to one of the router LAN ports.  When my wife is watching a movie hosted on the ReadyNAS via a wired media player, I can turn reboot the router, or even turn it off - and the playback isn't disrupted at all.  New connections do need the router to assist, but once that is done the switch(es) take over.  And of course any internet traffic has to run through the router.

 

If your network drive supports LACP NIC teaming, then you might consider a smart switch, so you can take advantage of that feature.  That can help performance some if multiple devices are accessing the drive.

 

You can of course connect the R7000 to the switch also, and use it as an AP.   

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jeffs95033
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Re: Verizon LTE modem + Netgear Router/Switch?

Thanks much StephenB. So then, even though all devices below the switch appear to the router on only one of its LAN ports, they'll still get assigned unique IP addresses by DHCP and avoid address collisions, right?

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StephenB
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Re: Verizon LTE modem + Netgear Router/Switch?


@jeffs95033 wrote:

 even though all devices below the switch appear to the router on only one of its LAN ports, they'll still get assigned unique IP addresses by DHCP and avoid address collisions, right?


Yes, they will get DHCP-assigned IP addresses.

 

Here's a rough idea of what goes on (likely more than you want to know...).

 

All ethernet packets also include source/destination mac addresses (in addition to the source/destination IP addresses).  These addresses are normally built into the ethernet chips themselves (though routers and some other devices let you set them).

 

The network stack in your client will learn the destination mac address for every packet it sends, using a protocol called arp.  If the destination isn't on the subnet, the destination mac address is the mac address of the router lan port.  It remembers this mac address (for every IP address) so it doesn't need to do this for every packet.

 

Ethernet switches automatically learn what mac addresses are sending traffic through them on every port.  If the ethernet switch already recognizes the destination mac address, the packet is automatically sent to the right LAN connection, and the router never sees the packet.

 

If it doesn't recognize the destination, then it broadcasts the packet (so the whole network, including the router) will receive it.  The router doesn't route it, it just ignores it.  When a response packet comes back (which it will at some point), the router updates it's mac address tables.

 

So once the system is up and running, local subnet traffic never touches the router.  The LAN ports of the router usually also functions as a hardware ethernet switch, so the processor in the router also shouldn't get engaged with local LAN traffic.  Wifi->LAN, WiFi->internet and LAN->internet traffic always do pass the router's processor.   The implication here is that the switch might not be necessary to prevent the original concern you posted, but it certainly will ensure that local LAN traffic stays off the router connection.  And later on if you deployed a 10gbit lan (upgrading to a 10gib switch), your local traffic could run at much higher speeds than the router can handle.

 

 

 

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