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Additional satellites

Hi I want to purchase the new Orbi AX unit but I need help. Where can I purchase more Satellites from? If I possibly purchase 2 units can I use the additional router as a satellite?
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Guru

Re: Additional satellites

No additional satellites available separately currently. 


My Setup (Cable 900Mbps/50Mbps)>CAX80>XR450 v2.3.2.106(Router Mode)
Additional NG HW: C7800/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi CBK40, RBK853, R7800, R7960P,
EX7500/EX7700, XR450 and WNHDE111
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Re: Additional satellites

I purchased the AX a few days ago and installed this am.

 

Was pleasantly surprised to see that the RBS50 sattelites I have work just fine on the Orbi AX.

 

In fact, I have one RBS850 sattelite, one RBS50 satellite and my original RBR50 in AP mode hard wired back to the RBR850.

 

Smooth as silk.

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My Equipment: Cox Cable (350Mb/35Mb), Orbi AX6000 (RBR850, RBS850), w/2 x RBS50) (Wired backhaul), NG GS116PP Gigabit Smart Switch, Synology DS1019+ NAS
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Luminary

Re: Additional satellites


I wonder If an old NG non mesh router will work in AP mode. I am horder and kept WNDR4500 
@Chuck_M wrote:

I purchased the AX a few days ago and installed this am.

 

Was pleasantly surprised to see that the RBS50 sattelites I have work just fine on the Orbi AX.

 

In fact, I have one RBS850 sattelite, one RBS50 satellite and my original RBR50 in AP mode hard wired back to the RBR850.

 

Smooth as silk.


 

ATT GigaPower Fiber-->ONT-->BGW-210 RGW in IP Passthrough mode-->RBR850
Wired Topology RBS50---RBR 850-->RBS850--> RBS50 Ethernet backhaul
Firmware Version V3.2.16.6_1.4.4 for RBS 50 V3.2.16.6_1.4.4Router mode
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Guru

Re: Additional satellites

You can. Just needs to be on far separate wifi channels away from what the Orbi is using. This can add to the wifi noise however. 


My Setup (Cable 900Mbps/50Mbps)>CAX80>XR450 v2.3.2.106(Router Mode)
Additional NG HW: C7800/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi CBK40, RBK853, R7800, R7960P,
EX7500/EX7700, XR450 and WNHDE111
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Apprentice

Re: Additional satellites

Not going to purchase the AX unit until they release the satellites to purchase separately .
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Luminary

Re: Additional satellites

@Sevo123

 

You might want to consider the fact that the RBK852 system does provide more useable coverage than the original Orbi system does.  Once I got my new system up and running correctly, I have only needed the one RBS850 as a satellite to get the same coverage and speeds that I was getting with three satellites on my RBK53 system.  I'm not sure if the power levels are up on the radios or not, but the RBK852 system is certainly giving me equal or better coverage than my original system.

 

How large on an area do you need to cover?  Do you have an Orbi system now and, if so, how many satellites do you have?


'Most places will let you return the system if you're not satisfied, so it may be worth trying out to see if you get adequate coverage or not.

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Re: Additional satellites

How big is your home? Sq Ft? Mines 5000Sq Ft, no issues with WiFi coverage with just the RBR and 1 RBS wirelessly connected. Even with the RBS in the basement and RBR on 2nd story level. Good wifi coverage and operation. Something to try as suggested. If you don't like it, then return it. 


@Sevo123 wrote:
Not going to purchase the AX unit until they release the satellites to purchase separately .

 


My Setup (Cable 900Mbps/50Mbps)>CAX80>XR450 v2.3.2.106(Router Mode)
Additional NG HW: C7800/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi CBK40, RBK853, R7800, R7960P,
EX7500/EX7700, XR450 and WNHDE111
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Luminary

Re: Additional satellites

So RBR50 in AP mode becomes identical to RBS50? My neighbor has an extra RBR50 he is not using. 
@Chuck_M wrote:

I purchased the AX a few days ago and installed this am.

 

Was pleasantly surprised to see that the RBS50 sattelites I have work just fine on the Orbi AX.

 

In fact, I have one RBS850 sattelite, one RBS50 satellite and my original RBR50 in AP mode hard wired back to the RBR850.

 

Smooth as silk.


 


 

ATT GigaPower Fiber-->ONT-->BGW-210 RGW in IP Passthrough mode-->RBR850
Wired Topology RBS50---RBR 850-->RBS850--> RBS50 Ethernet backhaul
Firmware Version V3.2.16.6_1.4.4 for RBS 50 V3.2.16.6_1.4.4Router mode
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Re: Additional satellites

@DoctorA 

No, RBRs only work as routers or in wired AP mode providing a wireless source. They don't work in extender or satellite mode connections with wireless back haul. 


My Setup (Cable 900Mbps/50Mbps)>CAX80>XR450 v2.3.2.106(Router Mode)
Additional NG HW: C7800/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi CBK40, RBK853, R7800, R7960P,
EX7500/EX7700, XR450 and WNHDE111
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Re: Additional satellites


Do RBRs become satellites in AP mode wired?@FURRYe38 wrote:

@DoctorA 

No, RBRs only work as routers or in wired AP mode providing a wireless source. They don't work in extender or satellite mode connections with wireless back haul. 


 

ATT GigaPower Fiber-->ONT-->BGW-210 RGW in IP Passthrough mode-->RBR850
Wired Topology RBS50---RBR 850-->RBS850--> RBS50 Ethernet backhaul
Firmware Version V3.2.16.6_1.4.4 for RBS 50 V3.2.16.6_1.4.4Router mode
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Re: Additional satellites

No. There just wired APs.


My Setup (Cable 900Mbps/50Mbps)>CAX80>XR450 v2.3.2.106(Router Mode)
Additional NG HW: C7800/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi CBK40, RBK853, R7800, R7960P,
EX7500/EX7700, XR450 and WNHDE111
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Re: Additional satellites

Netgear had a live on the orbi AX unit today on YouTube live and Facebook live... I asked about the satellites. They said in the coming weeks it will be available. Finally!!!

Video link https://youtu.be/xPVGv0IHVao
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Re: Additional satellites

Yep


My Setup (Cable 900Mbps/50Mbps)>CAX80>XR450 v2.3.2.106(Router Mode)
Additional NG HW: C7800/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi CBK40, RBK853, R7800, R7960P,
EX7500/EX7700, XR450 and WNHDE111
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Luminary

Re: Additional satellites

Thank you for the good news. Now I am going to wait for the the new RBS 850 instead of spending money on RBS 50. People are saying that the usable coverage of  RBS 850 is better.

@Sevo123 wrote:
Netgear had a live on the orbi AX unit today on YouTube live and Facebook live... I asked about the satellites. They said in the coming weeks it will be available. Finally!!!

Video link https://youtu.be/xPVGv0IHVao

 

ATT GigaPower Fiber-->ONT-->BGW-210 RGW in IP Passthrough mode-->RBR850
Wired Topology RBS50---RBR 850-->RBS850--> RBS50 Ethernet backhaul
Firmware Version V3.2.16.6_1.4.4 for RBS 50 V3.2.16.6_1.4.4Router mode
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Re: Additional satellites

Does anyone know if/think this will work with the Orbi wifi 6 system to extend it?

 

https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/wifi-range-extenders/EAX80.aspx

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I don't belive so as this time. NG may bring compatibility in future updates. EX even don't work right on Orbi AC unless you ask NG support for special FW build. I had to ask for my EX7700 to work with a RBK50. 


@sjtNJ wrote:

Does anyone know if/think this will work with the Orbi wifi 6 system to extend it?

 

https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/wifi-range-extenders/EAX80.aspx


 


My Setup (Cable 900Mbps/50Mbps)>CAX80>XR450 v2.3.2.106(Router Mode)
Additional NG HW: C7800/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi CBK40, RBK853, R7800, R7960P,
EX7500/EX7700, XR450 and WNHDE111
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Re: Additional satellites


@FURRYe38 wrote:

I don't belive so as this time. NG may bring compatibility in future updates. EX even don't work right on Orbi AC unless you ask NG support for special FW build. I had to ask for my EX7700 to work with a RBK50. 


@sjtNJ wrote:

Does anyone know if/think this will work with the Orbi wifi 6 system to extend it?

 

https://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/wifi-range-extenders/EAX80.aspx


List of things NG must do is getting longer. I mean it says "The Nighthawk AX8 is compatible with any WiFi router" on that page. 

Also RBS50Y outdoor and RBS 50 regular in wireless mode doesn't communicate with RBK 850.

Also we don't know yet if the 2nd RBS 850 will work with RBR 850.

 

 


 

ATT GigaPower Fiber-->ONT-->BGW-210 RGW in IP Passthrough mode-->RBR850
Wired Topology RBS50---RBR 850-->RBS850--> RBS50 Ethernet backhaul
Firmware Version V3.2.16.6_1.4.4 for RBS 50 V3.2.16.6_1.4.4Router mode
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Re: Additional satellites

All in good time. I'm sure NGs priority is to get a 2nd RBS850 working first. 


My Setup (Cable 900Mbps/50Mbps)>CAX80>XR450 v2.3.2.106(Router Mode)
Additional NG HW: C7800/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi CBK40, RBK853, R7800, R7960P,
EX7500/EX7700, XR450 and WNHDE111
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Re: Additional satellites

I would also like to add my request to make satellites available for purchase separately.  I purchased the 2-pack, but due to the layout of my home I'm getting very poor signal in my living room.  The signal from either my primary router or the satellite has to pass through two exterior walls to reach my living room.  Since those exterior walls block a lot more signal than interior walls, I'm a bit stuck at the moment.  The signal is usable but it's not great.  That's also the room where I watch (streaming) TV.  I previously got around this issue by using five Google WiFi pucks and was hoping the Orbi AX6000 system would be powerful to replace the Google system.  I could potentially solve the problem with one more Orbi either wireless or using a wired backhaul, but there's no option to purchase it!

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Re: Additional satellites

https://community.netgear.com/t5/Orbi-AX/Release-date-for-Add-on-Orbi-WiFi6-Satellite-RBS850/m-p/185...

 

What is the size of your home? Sq Ft?
What is the distance between the router and satellite(s)? 30 feet is recommended in between RBR and RBS to begin with depending upon building materials when wirelessly connected. https://kb.netgear.com/000036466/How-far-should-I-place-my-Orbi-satellite-from-my-Orbi-router


@d1mmy wrote:

I would also like to add my request to make satellites available for purchase separately.  I purchased the 2-pack, but due to the layout of my home I'm getting very poor signal in my living room.  The signal from either my primary router or the satellite has to pass through two exterior walls to reach my living room.  Since those exterior walls block a lot more signal than interior walls, I'm a bit stuck at the moment.  The signal is usable but it's not great.  That's also the room where I watch (streaming) TV.  I previously got around this issue by using five Google WiFi pucks and was hoping the Orbi AX6000 system would be powerful to replace the Google system.  I could potentially solve the problem with one more Orbi either wireless or using a wired backhaul, but there's no option to purchase it!




 

 


My Setup (Cable 900Mbps/50Mbps)>CAX80>XR450 v2.3.2.106(Router Mode)
Additional NG HW: C7800/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi CBK40, RBK853, R7800, R7960P,
EX7500/EX7700, XR450 and WNHDE111
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Re: Additional satellites

My office, where the primary router sits, is only about 20-30' from my living room.  The problem is that those 20-30' consist of two exterior walls (surrounding a courtyard in my house).  The problem I'm facing is the layout and building materials used in my home.  It seems crazy that my signal strength degrades this much in such a short distance, but it is what it is.  If I moved my one satellite into the living room, other areas of my house would not have a good signal.  That's why I need at least one additional satellite device.

 

https://analiti.com/shared/5ba22576-8b95-4b3b-8b2f-cd4df5c7cbbb

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Re: Additional satellites

You'll probably need to get another then...Some building materials can cause wifi problems. Especially, concrete, brick and metal. 

 


@d1mmy wrote:

My office, where the primary router sits, is only about 20-30' from my living room.  The problem is that those 20-30' consist of two exterior walls (surrounding a courtyard in my house).  The problem I'm facing is the layout and building materials used in my home.  It seems crazy that my signal strength degrades this much in such a short distance, but it is what it is.  If I moved my one satellite into the living room, other areas of my house would not have a good signal.  That's why I need at least one additional satellite device.

 

https://analiti.com/shared/5ba22576-8b95-4b3b-8b2f-cd4df5c7cbbb


 


My Setup (Cable 900Mbps/50Mbps)>CAX80>XR450 v2.3.2.106(Router Mode)
Additional NG HW: C7800/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi CBK40, RBK853, R7800, R7960P,
EX7500/EX7700, XR450 and WNHDE111
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Re: Additional satellites

How did you get the RBS50s to connect to the RBR850?


@Chuck_M wrote:

I purchased the AX a few days ago and installed this am.

 

Was pleasantly surprised to see that the RBS50 sattelites I have work just fine on the Orbi AX.

 

In fact, I have one RBS850 sattelite, one RBS50 satellite and my original RBR50 in AP mode hard wired back to the RBR850.

 

Smooth as silk.


 

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Re: Additional satellites

They are hard-wired back to the RBS850.

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My Equipment: Cox Cable (350Mb/35Mb), Orbi AX6000 (RBR850, RBS850), w/2 x RBS50) (Wired backhaul), NG GS116PP Gigabit Smart Switch, Synology DS1019+ NAS
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