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Seanster's avatar
Apr 28, 2020
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Orbi Router with direct connected devices (mega problems)

I have a new Orbi RBK853 system (wifi6) - sorry but the model dropdown did not find this.  Anyway, its 1 router and 2 satellites.  Setup over the weekend, no drama.  Everything is great.  Super fast wifi everywhere.  Running in AP mode as my ISP provided router cannot be bridged, so it is providing DHCP - so this directly mirrors my setup with Apple Airport Extremes.  So no problems...except...

 

I have a Mac Mini directly connected to the router via Ethernet.  No problem, can see it and access it.  But certain software that I run on the Mac Mini is causing all kinds of issues.  I run Roon, which is a multicast network music player - and the whole point is that different endpoints (different computers, IOS devices) can connect to the Roon Core running on the Mac Mini.  But this is not working.  When a roon endpoint tries to connect to the Roon core, it gets to the Router, but the router does not let it past.  It even shows trying to connect to mini at IP address of router - but the mini sits behind behind the router.  IOS devices seem to work fine.

 

Now, for fun I tried unplugging the mac mini from its Ethernet connection and ran it on wifi - and success.  I can connect.  Just for fun, I stuck an unmanaged switch between the mac mini and the Orbi router, and this also works. 

 

So I have to ask the question, after spending €1000 on a new wifi system, do I need to put an unmanaged switch in between a computer and a router to get it to work?  Only thing I can think is that the Orbi firewall (which I have no control over) is doing something even in AP mode (when it should not because my ISP router is firewalled).  

 

Any help here would be appreciated.  I find it ridiculous that cannot connect a device to an Ethernet port on the back of a router and have it function properly. 

 

Thanks

Sean

  • I've found the problem.  These Orbi's (and I guess others) do not play nice with energy efficient ethernet.  And what is the default setting for MacOS?  Full-duplex, flow-control, energy-efficient-ethernet.  Manually changing to just full-duplex for the problematic device has completely resolved the communication issues. 

19 Replies

  • FURRYe38's avatar
    FURRYe38
    Guru - Experienced User

    When you say the Mac Mini is connected to the "router", do you mean the ISP router or the RBR? 

    When the RBR is in AP mode, It would be passing thru all traffic. 

    You can try a Non managed Gb LAN switch between the ISP Modem and RBR and connect the RBR and Mac Mini to this switch. 

    • Seanster's avatar
      Seanster
      Guide

      The Mac Mini is connected to the RBR.  

       

      So Topology looks like:

       

      Fiber Optic into ISP provided Modem / Router - handles DHCP

      Connection from ISP router to RBR Router running in AP mode

      RBR has two satellites.  So Sat1 and Sat2

       

      RBR has Mac Mini and Yamaha receiver connected via Ethernet 

      Sat1 has no other connections

      Sat2 has 2 Synologies connected via ethernet

       

      When I run Roon on the Mac Mini, connected to the RBR via ethernet, multicast traffic seems to not be handled very nicely, or IGMP or something is interfering with it (I have no access to any settings as the RBR is running in AP mode).  All settings on ISP router are as they should be.

       

      As I said, everything is working fine - except for the Roon endpoints that cannot find the Roon Core running on the mac mini - the RBR is serving up its own IP instead of the IP of the Mac Mini.  Put a switch in between the two and all problems disappear.  Putting the unmanaged switch resolves the issue, but I have absolutely no idea why - as this should not be the case...

       

       

      • FURRYe38's avatar
        FURRYe38
        Guru - Experienced User

        What happens if you connect the Mac Mini and Yamaha to the back of the main host router and not the RBR?