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Feature Request: Orbi Satellite Ethernet Backhaul
As good as Orbi looks on paper I don't understand Y you would cut yourself so short and not support Eithernet backhaul for the satellites, I have 5 locations needing a system like this but without su...
Let me acknowledge that our customer base has been clamoring for this feature for a while, and we are trying to be responsive to their needs. To provide context on why it's taking a while to get it out, during the first quarter, the Orbi Engineering team was focused on bringing out the two new products (RBK30 & RBK40) to market. Now that it's accomplished, we're actively working on bringing this feature and a couple of other interesting, market-requested features to you.
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Yes all were using VHT80 channel. Performance wouldn't be able to reach above 400Mbps without it. And no guest network. My set up has a separate SSID for 2.4GHz though and it was set exactly the same to make it a drop in replacement. I spent some time on the ubqt forum and it is pretty consistent with what others have observed there. Even if all the devices are 2x2 you will see significantly lower performance with multiple clients compared to Apple. In a "connected home" the single client performance is useless since we are to expect 5-20 clients per AP. ubqt own data showed aggregate throughput to be very limited in multi user environment and are releasing the HD with a 4x4 radio at a whooping $350 a piece to improve it. If it was $150 I would have considered it but not at $350.
That being said I am considering changing my setup to increase range and if possible speed and I have to say, ubqt is not the answer. Both speed and range are reduced dramatically. It could be that the LR has higher range but being a 2X2, it would be a downgrade for speed. The major problem seems to be the processing power of the unit.
The controller was a pain to install on ubuntu server and took a lot of community help/try and error to get to work but is very attractive, informative and functional so I understand the hype.I am just very disappointed by the hardware performance and can only say there is a lot of overhyping going on.
Peak Single client
AC Pro: ~600Mbps
Airport AC: ~820Mbps
Can see here:
I don't have the 10 client stress environment to compare to this dataset but my low 15 client test shows:
AC Pro: ~450Mbps
Airport AC: ~600Mbps
Note also that these are not peak throughput. I am actually 15ft away one floor down from the AP for these tests.
Thanks, rafale7. I'm surprised you could get 600 Mbps from so far away. I've read that Apple is discontinuing their WiFi APs though. Strange, since they seem to perform well.
peteytesting wrote:
st_shaw wrote:Thanks, rafale7. I'm surprised you could get 600 Mbps from so far away. I've read that Apple is discontinuing their WiFi APs though. Strange, since they seem to perform well.
financial decision based on how much they would make on routers etc v how much they make on phones and tablets
Yeah. Seems like it's getting harder and harder to find high-performance products anymore. People don't want to pay for it. The phone market is also making it harder to find high performance electronic components like accelerometers and magnetometrs.
Indeed. The rumor is that the development team from Apple's router have been reassigned to the AppleTV product. It means no new product or developments in the foreseeable future but when I look at the market offering and the development in the past 4 years, I can see why. There isn't any significant breakthrough. Their 4 year old product is still competitive and and a lack of innovation/differentiation means lack of revenue $.
And note that the Orbi is not too shabby. It is actually pretty close and far ahead of the ubqt. The hardware is good. Software/firmware needs some work which is the opposite of ubqt. The single biggest differentiation is the 1.7Gbps wireless backhaul which can feed a satelitte broadcasting at 1.3Gbps (+450Mbps at 2.4GHz). The 5GHz AC radio itself, the ethernet ports and the processing power are all there. Just need to make it run right. Netgear has the right idea.
I think UAP AC's concept is a wired mesh with weak APs compensated by numbers and having them work in concert coordinated by a separate controller and router. It appears to have been designed for 2x2 devices with low throughputs. Each AP, having more of them, would then have to handle fewer clients and needing less bandwidth. The issue I see with this is the intrinsic bandwidth of each AP is too low and not future proof. The new HD really is adding more processing capability more than the extra antenna and radio giving the abilty to handle more throughput.
If netgear could make the orbi router the controller and each satellite having the ability to connect wirelessly to one other satellite and wired to the router. Or be connected to the router wirelessly, you would get the most flexible and powerful wireless platform. For now, I guess I am returning all the new gear.
Router --- (wireless backhaul) --- Satellite
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Satellite --- (wireless backhaul) --- Satellite
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Satellite --- (wireless backhaul) --- Satellite
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Some of you are mixing up two of Ubiquiti's products. The Amplifi is their mesh system. The UAP AC is part of their Unifi lineup of wired Access Points; they have no mesh capability.
TheEther wrote:Some of you are mixing up two of Ubiquiti's products. The Amplifi is their mesh system. The UAP AC is part of their Unifi lineup of wired Access Points; they have no mesh capability.
and just confuse things even more there is now unifi mesh
In My case, I did not confuse the products. I was just using the word mesh inaccurately.
What I meant by it was to say that the APs are able to talk to one another and steer devices to the AP with the highest signal which the unifi can do and.
The Orbi is really not a mesh network neither.
rafale7 wrote:What I meant by it was to say that the APs are able to talk to one another and steer devices to the AP with the highest signal which the unifi can do and.
The Orbi is really not a mesh network neither.
this can only happen if the clients are capable of understanding and moving , most devices / clients arnt compatible with that standard yet
correct orbi is a distributed wireless system , not a mesh system
peteytesting wrote:this can only happen if the clients are capable of understanding and moving , most devices / clients arnt compatible with that standard yet
If you are thinking of 802.11r, iOS has supported it for quite some time. It also supports 802.11k and 802.11v. source. Android, I beleive, has supported it since Lollipop. source
correct orbi is a distributed wireless system , not a mesh system
I know you understand what Orbi is, but this distinction may be too subtle for some to understand. This picture may help others.
The Orbi uses the setup on the right, with the base station in the middle. A true mesh system (i.e. one that supports 802.11s) is on the left.
