Re: Orbi AP mode and Backhaul connections

b_i_l_l_y · ‎2020-08-25

I currently have x3 satellites that are all hardwired back to my network switch from various places around my house plus my RBR50 is also connected to this switch and the yellow ethernet port is connected to my ISP modem. This setup seems to be correct for Backhauling and working ok but wanted to know if I add a new router inbetween my ISP modem and my RBR50 and then switch my RBR50 into AP mode will my hardwired Backhaul still be setup correctly?

Note; I also still need to use some of my satellite ethernet ports to hardwire some peripherals, i.e. xbox, etc.

Mstrbig · ‎2020-08-25

@b_i_l_l_y wrote:
I currently have x3 satellites that are all hardwired back to my network switch from various places around my house plus my RBR50 is also connected to this switch and the yellow ethernet port is connected to my ISP modem. This setup seems to be correct for Backhauling and working ok but wanted to know if I add a new router inbetween my ISP modem and my RBR50 and then switch my RBR50 into AP mode will my hardwired Backhaul still be setup correctly?

Note; I also still need to use some of my satellite ethernet ports to hardwire some peripherals, i.e. xbox, etc.

Yes you can add a router in between your ISP modem and Orbi router, and the backhaul will be setup correctly. Since you are wired, make sure to turn off Daisy-Chaining Topology.

I should mention there is no need to add a router, unless you have specific needs. When I install these systems, unless the customer needs the extra router for something like a separate subnet, etc, we remove the router and plug the Orbi router directly into the ISP modem or ONT. The only exceptions are when they router is required by the ISP.

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Mstrbig · ‎2020-08-25

@b_i_l_l_y wrote:
I currently have x3 satellites that are all hardwired back to my network switch from various places around my house plus my RBR50 is also connected to this switch and the yellow ethernet port is connected to my ISP modem. This setup seems to be correct for Backhauling and working ok but wanted to know if I add a new router inbetween my ISP modem and my RBR50 and then switch my RBR50 into AP mode will my hardwired Backhaul still be setup correctly?

Note; I also still need to use some of my satellite ethernet ports to hardwire some peripherals, i.e. xbox, etc.

Yes you can add a router in between your ISP modem and Orbi router, and the backhaul will be setup correctly. Since you are wired, make sure to turn off Daisy-Chaining Topology.

I should mention there is no need to add a router, unless you have specific needs. When I install these systems, unless the customer needs the extra router for something like a separate subnet, etc, we remove the router and plug the Orbi router directly into the ISP modem or ONT. The only exceptions are when they router is required by the ISP.

FURRYe38 · ‎2020-08-25

What is the mfr and model# of the switch being used with the RBS? Just curious here.

@b_i_l_l_y wrote:
I currently have x3 satellites that are all hardwired back to my network switch from various places around my house plus my RBR50 is also connected to this switch and the yellow ethernet port is connected to my ISP modem. This setup seems to be correct for Backhauling and working ok but wanted to know if I add a new router inbetween my ISP modem and my RBR50 and then switch my RBR50 into AP mode will my hardwired Backhaul still be setup correctly?

Note; I also still need to use some of my satellite ethernet ports to hardwire some peripherals, i.e. xbox, etc.

b_i_l_l_y · ‎2020-08-25

ty for clarification ... unsure I've seen the option to turn off daisy chaining but might be visible once AP has been enabled.

My main switch is;

TP-LINK (TL-SG1016) Unmanaged 16-Port Gigabit Ethernet Switch (and x1 satellite connects directly with this)

plus one of my satellites connects via/thru another switch;

TP-LINK (TL-SG1005D) Unmanaged 5-Port Gigabit Ethernet Switch

and the one in my garden shed connect via;

Powerline (TL-WPA8730) AV 1200 Gigabit

Do you see any issues with this setup?

FURRYe38 · ‎2020-08-25

Diasy Chain will be under Advanced Tab/Advanced Settings/Wireless Settings in either mode.

Interesting both switches mention Green Ethernet or Invative power saving features. These have been know to cause problems if used in between the RBR and RBS. If yours is working will then it's good to know these model switchs seems to be ok with Orbi.

Configuration looks good. Be sure to save off a backup configuration to file for safe keeping. Helps save time if a reset is needed.

Enjoy.

Mstrbig · ‎2020-08-25

@b_i_l_l_y wrote:

My main switch is;
TP-LINK (TL-SG1016) Unmanaged 16-Port Gigabit Ethernet Switch (and x1 satellite connects directly with this)
plus one of my satellites connects via/thru another switch;
TP-LINK (TL-SG1005D) Unmanaged 5-Port Gigabit Ethernet Switch
and the one in my garden shed connect via;
Powerline (TL-WPA8730) AV 1200 Gigabit

Do you see any issues with this setup?

No issues.

Best results are obtained if no switches are between the ISP modem/router or ONT and Orbi Router, and only 1 switch in between and after the router and/or satellites.

My setup is Orbi router > switch > 2 satellites > switch off each satellite.

b_i_l_l_y · ‎2020-08-25

Strange ... currently still in Router mode for now but "Enable Daisy-Chain Topology" is enabled ... and attached devices shows all is cool.

b_i_l_l_y · ‎2020-08-25

Also; what lead me to ask is that I saw this video on setting up Orbi Backhaul in AP mode and this guy reckon you need to connect all the satellites to the RBR50 and to not use a switch in between as it won't work. Is this incorrect?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ln0-2NW-JU

FURRYe38 · ‎2020-08-25

Well if you have the RBS placed out in a line from the RBR, then Daisy Chain is meant for this kind of configuration and placement.

If you have the RBS out in a star formation from the RBR, not piggy backing of each other, then Daisy Chain can be disabled. Will be up to you.

Less switches are recommended if in use between the RBR and RBS. I have 3 switches in series chained and 1 RBS behind the 3rd switch. Works fine here. I had 4 switches on the line but wanted to get with less.

You can connect RBS to switches in between the RBR and RBS while in AP mode. Works fine with my 3 switch configuration.

Be sure to use non managed and non green eithernet switches. Green eithernet switch seem to cause problems, though some have had good experiences with some green ethernet switches in the mix. I prefer non green for my use.

@b_i_l_l_y wrote:
Strange ... currently still in Router mode for now but "Enable Daisy-Chain Topology" is enabled ... and attached devices shows all is cool.

b_i_l_l_y · ‎2020-08-25

fyi - just connected all my RBS50 satellites directly to my RBR50 (star topology and daisy chain off) rather than going thru any switches and before on WIFI I was getting about 80-100 mbps (when directly next to each satellite and connected to that satellite) but now I am getting 180-200 mbps unsure of the validately of my test but tried a bit of "with and without" and substantial difference when connected directly to the RBR50 ... so maybe my switch might have been throttling my Backhaul in someway.

Mstrbig · ‎2020-08-25

@b_i_l_l_y wrote:
fyi - just connected all my RBS50 satellites directly to my RBR50 (star topology and daisy chain off) rather than going thru any switches and before on WIFI I was getting about 80-100 mbps (when directly next to each satellite and connected to that satellite) but now I am getting 180-200 mbps unsure of the validately of my test but tried a bit of "with and without" and substantial difference when connected directly to the RBR50 ... so maybe my switch might have been throttling my Backhaul in someway.

As posted a few times, the green switches sometimes causes connection and speed issues. I have found through experience, using simple gigabit switches, (my preference for home and small office is Netgear ProSafe Gigabit), to connect to thye Orbi router and satellites. They are fast and inexpensive, lifetime warranty and very reliable. Also wired backhaul is always better for traffic and speed, and you will usually get a better WIFI speed off the satellite.

FURRYe38 · ‎2020-08-25

Is there a specific model# of these switch you prefer using?

@Mstrbig wrote:
As posted a few times, the green switches sometimes causes connection and speed issues. I have found through experience, using simple gigabit switches, (my preference for home and small office is Netgear ProSafe Gigabit), to connect to thye Orbi router and satellites. They are fast and inexpensive, lifetime warranty and very reliable. Also wired backhaul is always better for traffic and speed, and you will usually get a better WIFI speed off the satellite.