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Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

Ramakay
Aspirant

Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

Despite an RMA and 6+ months of back and forth - I have received no resolution to my issue - because of the delaying tactics and slow responses via engineering, L2 support I am out of the window to dispute it with my credit card company or Amazon

Is there an ombudsman or consumer advocate within Netgear who can help hear concerns ?

Context : On a Fios 1 gig network (850+ mbps wired ) I only get about 400-430mbps constantly on different devices even when sitting next to the router - latest iPhone ( WiFi 6 ) MacBook Pro 2018

Timing:
Call 1 : Support tried - changing channels ( locked me out of the router, couldn’t connect)

Escalated to L1 or some other support
Accepted device replacement needed
Call 50 - months later
Beta firmware - didn’t work
Latest firmware - didn’t work
Long pause - 1+ months
RMA process started -
Warnings about needing a credit card
Device arrived
Setup with same ssid - none of the devices could connect
Reset to default settings
Upgrade firmware - no connection WiFi network seen
Message support to call - no response for 2 days
Downgrade firmware - same issue
Upgrade firmware - same issue , can’t connect

Reset
Hardwired and tried again ignoring app and going to console
Setup succeeded
Speedtest - new hardware, no difference
Change channel
Locked out, devices won’t accept password
Reset
Hardwire
Go back to console - ignore app
Setup succeeded

$700+ Hundreds of hours and another $700 hold later , back to square one

Please let me know if you know of a reliable escalation path
Model: RBR50|Orbi AC3000 Tri-band WiFi Router
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energie
Luminary

Re: Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

If the issue is the 'wireless speed' you're getting with that router. I think you are hitting the limit already with that router. 

I might be wrong though, however 300-400 Mbps wireless with AC seems to be pretty decent. In any case the router you are using is a Wifi 5 (AC) router, so it doesn't matter that you use client that are wifi 6 (AX) capable, the bottleneck remains the router. 

 

I am sure Netgear support must have said this. They can't be that bad right, keeping you months on support and doing pointless RMA's.

 

The forum you are now in is for Wifi 6 (AX) btw. 

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FURRYe38
Guru

Re: Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

Most wifi devices max out at around 400-500Mbps, even on AX mode. The main issue is that some of these devices antenna configurations only support 2x2 which has it's own limtation on performance. Devices with 4x4 antenna configurations can handle more speeds, like seeing near 900Mbps. 

 

I would note that my Mac Book Pro seen around 700 once or twice. Most of the time test come back at around 400-500 range. However my Mac Book Pro 2018 is AC only supporting. My iPhone 12 Max is around the same range, however its AX supporting but 2x2 antenna configuration. If I connect my ASUS GT-AX11000 wireless bridge mode to the Orbi system, I can see near 900Mpbs however it's 4x4 antenna supporting. 

 

I would reach out to @Blanca_O and @ChristineT 

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Ramakay
Aspirant

Re: Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

I cannot find the option to select RBR850 as the option in the model - it’s RBR 850 not RBR50

Updated title to reflect
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Ramakay
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Re: Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

Support has been working with me for months now and I have not heard anyone suggest this is the Max - that’s quite a drop from less than 1 feet away
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FURRYe38
Guru

Re: Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

What Firmware version is currently loaded?

What is the size of your home? Sq Ft?
What is the distance between the router and satellite(s)? 30 feet or more is recommended in between RBR and RBS to begin with depending upon building materials when wirelessly connected.

 

 

You can find other speed diagnosis steps in the community faq: https://community.netgear.com/t5/Orbi-AX/Community-FAQ-My-Orbi-speeds-are-slow-inconsistent-and-don-...

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Ramakay
Aspirant

Re: Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

Satellite is one floor up - connecting to the base - overall house sq ft is 3000
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FURRYe38
Guru

Re: Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

What Firmware version is currently loaded?

What is the size of your home? Sq Ft?
What is the distance between the router and satellite(s)? 

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energie
Luminary

Re: Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

The link I referred to was for Wifi 5 AC though. Here is the link to the router you are using now:

Wifi performance should be +400-800 Mbps I suppose.

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Ramakay
Aspirant

Re: Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

Thanks the test shows 735-835 mbps in lab conditions but I am not even getting the low end
Message 10 of 14
energie
Luminary

Re: Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

If you connect wired through the the router and you get +800 Mbps, then being wireless connected and sitting next to the same router you should be able to get 560-640 Mbps. I am getting this while being connected to a satellite (not even the router) on a RBK752 set, using the TP-Link AX3000E PCIe adapter on a desktop PC. This is a 2x2 adapter (802.11ax 2x2 160 MHz 2402 Mbps). However, on the client side the Orbi limits me to 2x2 80 MHz 1200 Mbps, as the Orbi doesn't support 160 Mhz for clients.

 

In your case, I do not think there is anything wrong the router hardware. Your issue I think could be either 1) client devices 2) external signals that interfere with your wifi. 3) the device you are downloading data from is reaching max upload capacity.

 

In your testing, also make sure that you are actually connected to the main router if you're like sitting next to it. You can check this on the configuration/status page. However, reading how much you went through already with support. I think you might have also done that.

 

edit: You have the RBR850 which is also 4x4 for clients, not just for the backhaul. So your potential (2402 Mbps 80 MHZ) should be even greater. However your clients should then also have 4x4. What sort of speed (Mbps) are you clients reporting, if you look for example in the network adapter? In your case it should at least report +960 Mbps for a 2x2 stream on 80 MHz.

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Blanca_O
NETGEAR Moderator

Re: Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

Hi @Ramakay

 

Please send me a private message with the support case number by clicking on this link 

 

Regards,
Blanca
Community Team

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Ramakay
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Re: Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

This was sent
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Ramakay
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Re: Does Netgear have an ombudsman to escalate issues ?

Device is an iPhone 12 Pro Max and a MB pro 2018 15”
One is a WiFi 6 client and one is not - devices don’t breach 450 mbps on speedtest (app,site) speed of me, fast.com
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