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How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

d1mmy
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How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

The "automatic" QoS management on my RBK852 system is terrible and there seems to be no way for an end-user to manually invoke any settings to improve it.  I have a large NAS that syncs to cloud backup systems and for whatever reason, my Orbi router is prioritizing that traffic above, or at the very least equal to, basically everything else.  Because this can easily saturate my upstream bandwidth, prioritizing that traffic has the effect of severely degrading my internet service.  When I go into the QoS settings, there is literally nothing there other than a speed test link.  Am I missing something, or have Netgear released this WiFi system without any user-configurable QoS settings!?

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FURRYe38
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Re: How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

There isn't on Orbi systems. It's all automatic. Been like this since Orbi first appeared. 

My Setup ISP SparkLight | Internet Cable 1000↓/50↑ CM1200 Modem |  Wifi Router Orbi RBK752 (Router Mode), Wired Backhaul and R8500 | Switches NG GS105/8, GS308v3, GS110MX and XS505M | 

Additional NG HW: C7800/CAX80/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi: CBK40, CBK752, RBK50, RBK853, RBK752, RBK953, SXK30 | NightHawk: R7000, R7800, R7960P, R8000, R8500, RAXE500, RAX50, XR450, EX7500/EX7700

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d1mmy
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Re: How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

Ugh.  I wish I'd seen a review that stated as much before I purchased this system.  It wouldn't be a problem if Netgear's auto-QoS worked well, but it does not.  I've had to completely pause my NAS syncing during waking hours as a workaround, but even then it still interferes with my IoT devices overnight.

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FURRYe38
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Re: How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

How do you have yoru NAS connected? 

Is the NAS going backup from devices on the LAN side or to the WAN? 

NAS shouldn't interfere with any wifi devices. Mines doesn't however I don't do backups over wireless either. All my backups are wired with wired PCs. I also have my NAS connnected to a switch thats connected behind my router. All wired PCs are connected together on this switch with the NAS. 

 

 

 

 

My Setup ISP SparkLight | Internet Cable 1000↓/50↑ CM1200 Modem |  Wifi Router Orbi RBK752 (Router Mode), Wired Backhaul and R8500 | Switches NG GS105/8, GS308v3, GS110MX and XS505M | 

Additional NG HW: C7800/CAX80/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi: CBK40, CBK752, RBK50, RBK853, RBK752, RBK953, SXK30 | NightHawk: R7000, R7800, R7960P, R8000, R8500, RAXE500, RAX50, XR450, EX7500/EX7700

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d1mmy
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Re: How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

My NAS is wired directly into the main router.  It's not interfering with (just) WiFi, it's interfering with other wired devices as well because its being allowed to fully saturate my upload bandwidth, causing QoS issues on all other devices on the network.

 

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FURRYe38
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Re: How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

So you are doing backups from the NAS to the WAN side? 

 

My Setup ISP SparkLight | Internet Cable 1000↓/50↑ CM1200 Modem |  Wifi Router Orbi RBK752 (Router Mode), Wired Backhaul and R8500 | Switches NG GS105/8, GS308v3, GS110MX and XS505M | 

Additional NG HW: C7800/CAX80/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi: CBK40, CBK752, RBK50, RBK853, RBK752, RBK953, SXK30 | NightHawk: R7000, R7800, R7960P, R8000, R8500, RAXE500, RAX50, XR450, EX7500/EX7700

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d1mmy
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Re: How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

Yes, I'm backing up my local NAS across the internet.

 

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FURRYe38
Guru

Re: How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

Ok, something I would avoid but thats me. 

 

What was the prior router you were using before Orbi AX?

My Setup ISP SparkLight | Internet Cable 1000↓/50↑ CM1200 Modem |  Wifi Router Orbi RBK752 (Router Mode), Wired Backhaul and R8500 | Switches NG GS105/8, GS308v3, GS110MX and XS505M | 

Additional NG HW: C7800/CAX80/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi: CBK40, CBK752, RBK50, RBK853, RBK752, RBK953, SXK30 | NightHawk: R7000, R7800, R7960P, R8000, R8500, RAXE500, RAX50, XR450, EX7500/EX7700

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d1mmy
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Re: How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

I previously had the Google WiFi system.  It was less troublesome, though it was annoying to configure (had to be done through a phone) and I was expecting that Netgear would be better on that front.  Every single router I've used since around 2006 has had more powerful QoS configuration settings than the non-existent QoS settings on the Orbi AX6000 system.  It's not even something I thought could be a problem at this point.

 

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FURRYe38
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Re: How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

Well since the advent of Smart Connect on Wifi and other router mfr I've seen and have experience with over the years, seems like more mfr are going and have been headed towards a less advanced UI and doing a more simplistic UI. D-Link and NG are a couple. I have an ASUS that still is fully featured however even there QoS is not quite advanced anymore and is mostly input a device in a High, Medium or Low section and you done. Yes I remember days of my D-Link DGL-4500 having the ability to specify a bandwidth values. Lots of configurations were seen back then. Now days QoS is mostly automatic or on some routers, you can set a priority however the selections are limited. Was a great router. 

 

You might look into seeing if you can configure the NAS for any kind of bandwidth configurations as well for WAN transmissions. If the NAS is saturating your LAN and WAN, might be something you can check out there. I would also consider installing a LAN switch as well with the NAT and wired PCs connected to it may help as well segment off NAS traffic from the rest of the network. 

 

 

My Setup ISP SparkLight | Internet Cable 1000↓/50↑ CM1200 Modem |  Wifi Router Orbi RBK752 (Router Mode), Wired Backhaul and R8500 | Switches NG GS105/8, GS308v3, GS110MX and XS505M | 

Additional NG HW: C7800/CAX80/CM1100/CM1200/CM2000, Orbi: CBK40, CBK752, RBK50, RBK853, RBK752, RBK953, SXK30 | NightHawk: R7000, R7800, R7960P, R8000, R8500, RAXE500, RAX50, XR450, EX7500/EX7700

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kildare
Luminary

Re: How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

Actually there are still routers that have full QoS configuration, like the one I use...

QoS Cisco 

I personally prefer using the Wifi system as a separate Access Point along with a full featured WAN router/firewall.

 

 

 


@d1mmy wrote:

I previously had the Google WiFi system.  It was less troublesome, though it was annoying to configure (had to be done through a phone) and I was expecting that Netgear would be better on that front.  Every single router I've used since around 2006 has had more powerful QoS configuration settings than the non-existent QoS settings on the Orbi AX6000 system.  It's not even something I thought could be a problem at this point.

 


 

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d1mmy
Luminary

Re: How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

Yes, I assumed that QoS was something that almost all consumer routers have at this point, especially at the high-end.  I may switch to Synology or Ubiquiti since they seem geared more toward prosumers who actually care to manage their networks.  It's just shocking because Netgear advertise the power of the hardware in their AX6000 with tons of RAM and multi-core CPUs, but what is the point of having all that power if they don't have any software features?

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kildare
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Re: How is there no QoS configuration on the top-end AX6000 devices?

"Power is nothing without control"

(cit. from Pirelli)"

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