Re: Orbi with Verizon Fios

alex8828 · ‎2019-08-01

Hello all,

This is my first post since owning my Orbi system. I have a question I have Verizon Fios with internet tv and phone and I am currently using my Fios router G1100 as the primary router and the Orbi RBR50 set up as an access point. The back of my G1100 router have coxial and cat6 connected to wan port. So what I want to do is have my Orbi be the primary router and work in router mode. So I spoke with Verizon Fios Gateway specialist and he advised me this is not supported by Verizon, but said I can plug my cat 6 coming from my ont to the wan port of the Orbi router and run a seperate cat 6 cable from any lan port on the Orbi to the wan port of my Fios router and reboot both routers. At first I thought it woked I was able to connect to the Orbi router and turn on router mode and it did its thing. On the main screen it displayed internet status good and was broadcasting my wireless network and devices were able to connect both wireless and through lan connection, but none of my devices were able to connect to the internet. So I was wondering if anyone is running this set up and it is working? Any advice greatly appriciated.

Thanks,

Alex

FURRYe38 · ‎2019-08-01

Modem Combo Units:
This would be a double NAT condition which isn't recommended. https://kb.netgear.com/30186/What-is-Double-NAT
Couple of options,
1. Configure the modem for transparent bridge mode. Then use the Orbi router in router mode. You'll need to contact the ISP for help and information in regards to the modem being bridged correctly.
2. If you can't bridge the modem, disable ALL wifi radios on the modem, configure the modems DMZ/ExposedHost or IP Pass-Through for the IP address the Orbi router gets from the modem. Then you can use the Orbi router in Router mode.
3. Or disable all wifi radios on the modem and connect the Orbi router to the modem, configure AP mode on the Orbi router. https://kb.netgear.com/31218/How-do-I-configure-my-Orbi-router-to-act-as-an-access-point and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7LOcJ8GdDo&app=desktop

Option #2 should work for you.

punkorambo · ‎2019-08-02

Has anyone had success with Option #2 with the G1100 from FiOS? I’ve read that the DMZ setting isn’t a true DMZ and there is still the double NAT problem.

FURRYe38 · ‎2019-08-02

Give this a try and see. Ask your ISP if the G1100 can be bridged if possible. If DMZ or bridging doesn't work, then configure the Orbi for AP mode.

@punkorambo wrote:
Has anyone had success with Option #2 with the G1100 from FiOS? I’ve read that the DMZ setting isn’t a true DMZ and there is still the double NAT problem.

alex8828 · ‎2019-08-02

I’ve tried calling Verizon Fios regarding configuring the router to be secondary and they are not very helpful.

punkorambo · ‎2019-08-02

I found this post which seems to have positive feedback. It explains how one person supposedly bridged his G1100 and kept all of the Fios STB functionality even with Coax coming from the ONT. I have not tried it yet but if someone does and it works please post back here. Otherwise I’ll try it when I can and post back after.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31057540-Networking-HOW-TO-Bridge-G1100-So-your-Router-becomes-Prim...

FURRYe38 · ‎2019-08-02

I would give the DMZ a test try first with the Orbi to see if this works for you. If not, Let us know if the bridging work around works for you.

Good Luck.

@punkorambo wrote:
I found this post which seems to have positive feedback. It explains how one person supposedly bridged his G1100 and kept all of the Fios STB functionality even with Coax coming from the ONT. I have not tried it yet but if someone does and it works please post back here. Otherwise I’ll try it when I can and post back after.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31057540-Networking-HOW-TO-Bridge-G1100-So-your-Router-becomes-Prim...

alex8828 · ‎2019-08-02

I read the steps from your post seems pretty easy. My question is my cat6 coming from the ont where is that plugged into? Does it stay in the Wan port of the G1100?

FURRYe38 · ‎2019-08-02

I believe so. Then a cable from the G1100s LAN port goes from there to the Yellow WAN port on the RBR.

alex8828 · ‎2019-08-02

I will try this out tonight after work and post results.

FURRYe38 · ‎2019-08-02

punkorambo · ‎2019-08-04

I tried bridging my G1100 with the link I provided and was partially successful.

I was able to have my Orbi obtain an IP from Fios. Afterward, I was getting internet intermittently even with the Orbi maintaining the IP from Fios. I tried rebooting to find the same problem. I couldn’t let it sit for more than 15 minutes because my family was complaining there was not internet so I am not sure if it kept cutting out because it needed to settle up on Verizon’s end or my end. I might try later in the week to and let it sit for an hour or so to see if can keep internet consistently.

alex8828 · ‎2019-08-05

I did not try yet. I am still looking into the benefit of making Orbi primary router rather than just an ap.

punkorambo · ‎2019-08-06

I’ll probably have a chance to try again Friday. Reading around, Fios might be configured for the MAC Address of the G1100 to have the IP assigned to it so I might have to “change” the MAC on the Orbi so it fools Fios into thinking it it the G1100.

As for the reasons to do it, I would like to pause individual devices, check out Circle and the other security features.

alex8828 · ‎2019-08-06

Yes, like some of the security features as well on the Orbi. I was also thinking if I can’t get it to work probably with the Fios TV the dvr management on the mobile application and caller ID on the TV screen. I was thinking of getting a hardware firewall with UTM for the extra security features and virus/malware protection.

punkorambo · ‎2019-08-09

I tried again with no luck. I think I’m sticking with AP mode.

FURRYe38 · ‎2019-08-09

Did you give the DMZ option a try on the FIOS router with the RBR?

@alex8828 wrote:
Yes, like some of the security features as well on the Orbi. I was also thinking if I can’t get it to work probably with the Fios TV the dvr management on the mobile application and caller ID on the TV screen. I was thinking of getting a hardware firewall with UTM for the extra security features and virus/malware protection.

punkorambo · ‎2019-08-09

I haven’t yet, I did that with a my previous router but I feel like some things didn’t work properly. Could have just been the old router though. Maybe I’ll try it out with the Orbi.

FURRYe38 · ‎2019-08-09

Let us know how it works for you.

@punkorambo wrote:
I haven’t yet, I did that with a my previous router but I feel like some things didn’t work properly. Could have just been the old router though. Maybe I’ll try it out with the Orbi.