So, we do have things operating as two routers. Orbi was rather unstable early on (this was years ago), so I separated certain network items off to sit on the ISP supplied device (Ring Doorbell/security cameras/home alarm system) so they would not be interupted if/when Orbi had a meltdown and, the wife could hop onto the alternate WiFi whilst I rebooted everything. This might not be needed these days, since Orbi is much more stable.
I've always been reluctant to use the Orbi in AP mode as it reduces functionality and the Virgin router is, shall we say, lacking..but is necessary as it's a cable ISP. We use the Guest network, Circle, Access Control that are not available on the other router.
Both routers use their own IP range, Orbi 192.168.1.. and the Virgin router 192.168.0... so, I've always assumed they would be fine.
Having reviewed the links you shared, gaming works through Orbi (my son is surgically attached to the PS5), though, interestingly, when speed testing, I don't get the same network speeds on the PS5 when wired directly to Orbi than I do if we wire directly to the Virgin box (150-250mbps through Orbi (RBR not RBS), >800mbps on Virgin) - could this be a sign of an issue as a result of the use of two routers? It's the only thing that I can see, when wired, that is significantly slower on the Orbi, compared to what I'd expect (for example, my MacMini which is wired generally gets >800mbps). Ok, in the grand scheme of things, 250mbps is flying however you look at it, but it's puzzling why it's not closer to the max speed that other devices get.
Anyhow, thanks again and hopefully this all makes sense.
Cheers,
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Thanks for your really helpful response and for getting my post moved to the right category - it is a rather complicated structure!
So, we do have things operating as two routers. Orbi was rather unstable early on (this was years ago), so I separated certain network items off to sit on the ISP supplied device (Ring Doorbell/security cameras/home alarm system) so they would not be interupted if/when Orbi had a meltdown and, the wife could hop onto the alternate WiFi whilst I rebooted everything. This might not be needed these days, since Orbi is much more stable.
I've always been reluctant to use the Orbi in AP mode as it reduces functionality and the Virgin router is, shall we say, lacking..but is necessary as it's a cable ISP. We use the Guest network, Circle, Access Control that are not available on the other router.
Both routers use their own IP range, Orbi 192.168.1.. and the Virgin router 192.168.0... so, I've always assumed they would be fine.
Having reviewed the links you shared, gaming works through Orbi (my son is surgically attached to the PS5), though, interestingly, when speed testing, I don't get the same network speeds on the PS5 when wired directly to Orbi than I do if we wire directly to the Virgin box (150-250mbps through Orbi (RBR not RBS), >800mbps on Virgin) - could this be a sign of an issue as a result of the use of two routers? It's the only thing that I can see, when wired, that is significantly slower on the Orbi, compared to what I'd expect (for example, my MacMini which is wired generally gets >800mbps). Ok, in the grand scheme of things, 250mbps is flying however you look at it, but it's puzzling why it's not closer to the max speed that other devices get.
Anyhow, thanks again and hopefully this all makes sense.
Cheers,
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> [...] could this be a sign of an issue as a result of the use of two
> routers? [...]
Perhaps. If I wanted to be sure, then I might run the experiment,
and configure the RBR50 as a wireless access point.
Saving the RBR50 settings/configuration file first might make
reversion easier later, if desired.
> [...] I could use the DMZ functionality that comes with the VM box to
> just pass the Orbi traffic straight out. [...]
The relevant section in the Orbi User Manual is called \"Set up a
default DMZ _server_\" for a reason. It affects _incoming_ connections.
You could try it, but my expectations would be low in this case. But,
as with WAP mode, why trust me when the experiment is so easy to run,
and would be much more reliable?
> [...] I can play about with the different options [...]
That's what I'd do.
> [...] I might need to get the family to go out for a bit [...]
Stage a catastrophic failure, and diligently \"work\" on a \"solution\"?
Everyone might leave spontaneously, and you could be a hero.
\n
DCP4971 wrote:
....and losing the extra Wifi (wihch is always handy for if/when Orbi has a meltdown),
Does this happen often?
\n\n
If the Orbi is sitting next to the modem/router, there's a risk of wifi interference and/or confusion when your wifi clients try to connect to wifi.
\n\n
The Orbi technology, Mesh, is supposed to make life easier on the wifi front. I'd also expect it to have better wifi than the modem/router.
\n\n
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Doesn't happen so much now, just went through a phase of being really unreliable a few years back, so I built in the fallback of the other wifi and it's just been left as it is. Ordinarily, Orbi is far superior and has the coverage that we need across the house that the Virgin box simply doesn't.
The two routers are close together, but, I've got them on different channels, there are differnet wifi names and checked what other channels are being used by other local wifi to minimise the possiblility of interference.
Suspect I just need to bite the bullet and move the Virgin box to being Modem only and see how it plays out for a while - it just needs a bit of effort to get the Ring etc onto Orbi. I may have some time tomorrow when the family are out..
Am still intrigued about why the PS5 doesn't work as well on Orbi as it does on the Virgin box, but will see how it is after I change to Modem mode.
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DCP4971 wrote:
\nSuspect I just need to bite the bullet and move the Virgin box to being Modem only and see how it plays out for a while
\n\n
Have you tracked down the instructions on how to do that?
\n\n
Some of these ISP boxes – think BT – go out of there way to frustrate \"modem only\" operation. That's why I have three BT modem/routers sitting in their original shrinkwrap.
\n\n
\n
DCP4971 wrote:
\nit just needs a bit of effort to get the Ring etc onto Orbi.
\n\n
THere is a lot of huffing and puffing abut the inability to separate 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz on the Orbi. In reality, it is rarely necessary. But some makers of what the wits call \"Internet of Trash\" devices are incompetent when it comes to their setup apps. Connect your mobile device to 5GHz and they throw a wobbly because the device they manage works only on 2.4 GHz.
\n\n
If your IoT stuff is talking to the Virgin box, in your shows I would investigate the switch to the Orbi before I played around with the modem. Then you will have the kit working before you pull the plug on the modem/router.
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