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Moocow1980
Dec 04, 2021Apprentice
CAX80 won't work at all on WOW Internet; firmware update ruined it
Here's the deal.
I just got in the mail today a replacement from Netgear for my CAX80. (Hindsight says I may not have needed it, but here we are.)
I am with WOW Internet as my ISP in Columbus, OH.
The issue began around mid-November 2021, which based on sniffing around this forum, was the time frame a new firmware update was pushed and caused issues. That led to getting the aforementioned warranty replacement.
My old modem works. It's not my wiring. But the CAX80, it won't receive Internet. If I try to even do a hardwired local connection, I can't do any connections, even router login dot net, or the 192 168 1 1 address or anything. So if I wanted to manually update firmware or roll back, I can't. It will not connect.
I have done the 30-30-30 hard reset with the unit. I have called WOW, and they can't figure it out, no matter what we do.
I can't return the modem to Best Buy as the window passed. I'm not paying for extended warranty assistance with Netgear -- I had to PAY to ship my old unit for the replacement, which is insane and flat out robbery after I paid $450-plus for the unit or whatever it goes for. (Can't even spring for the prepaid label to a customer.) And if WOW can't do anything... I've PAID FOR AN EXPENSIVE BRICK BECAUSE OF THE FIRMWARE UPDATE!
I am extremely frustrated and extremely disappointed. Thanks for ruining my purchase, Netgear.
I just got in the mail today a replacement from Netgear for my CAX80. (Hindsight says I may not have needed it, but here we are.)
I am with WOW Internet as my ISP in Columbus, OH.
The issue began around mid-November 2021, which based on sniffing around this forum, was the time frame a new firmware update was pushed and caused issues. That led to getting the aforementioned warranty replacement.
My old modem works. It's not my wiring. But the CAX80, it won't receive Internet. If I try to even do a hardwired local connection, I can't do any connections, even router login dot net, or the 192 168 1 1 address or anything. So if I wanted to manually update firmware or roll back, I can't. It will not connect.
I have done the 30-30-30 hard reset with the unit. I have called WOW, and they can't figure it out, no matter what we do.
I can't return the modem to Best Buy as the window passed. I'm not paying for extended warranty assistance with Netgear -- I had to PAY to ship my old unit for the replacement, which is insane and flat out robbery after I paid $450-plus for the unit or whatever it goes for. (Can't even spring for the prepaid label to a customer.) And if WOW can't do anything... I've PAID FOR AN EXPENSIVE BRICK BECAUSE OF THE FIRMWARE UPDATE!
I am extremely frustrated and extremely disappointed. Thanks for ruining my purchase, Netgear.
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What FW version is currently loaded? What FW was loaded for the router side of the modem?
Was the FW updated on the modem side from the ISP? Modem FW can ONLY be updated by the ISP.
Have the ISP check the signal and line quality UP to the modem. Be sure the ISP provisions the modem correctly.
Be sure there are no coax cable line splitters in the between the modem and ISP service box.
Be sure your using good quality RG6 coax cable up to the modem.
Be sure to power OFF the modem for 1 minute then back ON.
https://community.netgear.com/t5/Cable-Modems-Routers/General-info-and-Troubleshooting-for-Cable-Modems/m-p/1530376#M12853
https://www.duckware.com/tech/solving-intermittent-cable-modem-issues.html- Moocow1980ApprenticeI can't check anything on it. How can I check the firmware if I can't even access it and pull info up on my laptop?
I also spent an hour with WOW having it provisioned. It won't receive the incoming Internet signal. They can send the refresh signal, and it refreshes, but no Internet.
All wiring and such has been redone from the cable hub outside, into my house, and into whatever I use the cable for, and it's all A-OK. I was getting the proper Internet speeds when I first got it in September. So none of that was an issue.Can you access 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.100.1 in a browser?
- Moocow1980Apprentice
Received the second replacement today. Did absolutely nothing with it until I called WOW. This is the extremely detailed process I went through in calling WOW, so be prepared for a long read.
TL;DR VERSION: It's definitely WOW, and not a darn thing got resolved on the 2h15m call.
The WOW tech rep had me connect the coax cable for the first time, and then plug in the power supply to turn it on for the first time. All lights came on and cycled on like you'd normally expect -- including the 2.4 and 5G symbols, and the push-button symbols at the bottom.
During this time, I gave the WOW tech rep my MAC address so he could activate it on the ISP's end. (I had no Internet connection up to this point, but I wasn't saying anything as I was unsure what he had to do on his end.) He then confirmed my MAC address, and asked me to unplug it for 30 seconds, and then plug it back in. He then allowed 2-3 minutes for a reboot to happen.
During this reboot, the 2.4/5G symbols and the push-button symbols did not light up at all. It was just the top four lights, as well as the 1 flashing for activity for the ethernet connection of my laptop in the first port.
Once the 2-3 minutes passed, I still had no Internet connection, and suddenly it went into a reboot. This was a repeat of everything I had been experiencing in mid-November, and the two prior units, and the repeated calls with WOW tech support.
The tech rep took longer than that 2-3 minutes to speak again, and he asked me to connect to the Internet. I told him I had no Internet connection. He asked to confirm my MAC address again. He then went silent for a few and then said he did something on his end and to allow 2-3 more minutes. My unit rebooted during this. The rep confirmed that I was using a modem/router combo from Netgear.
Mid-reboot, he asked me to power cycle the unit by unplugging it. I waited a couple of minutes, then he asked me to plug it in, and allow it to reboot. Once again, everything lit up except for the 2.4/5G and the push-button lights. No Internet, either. There was no change in status. I told him as much. And it rebooted yet again. And once that finished, still no change in status.
Clearly, everything is being caused by WOW. At this time, I took over the call and just flat out told the rep that whatever WOW did in mid-November, it has "bricked" my unit from working. I could safely hypothesize it was a WOW issue from mid-November, because if the modem/router was incompatible with WOW, it would not have worked when I got it in mid-September, and not worked for approximately two months without a flaw.
He sent another signal and it rebooted. During this, he tried to say that a tech needed to come to my house. I said no, because in October, we hooked up all brand new wiring from the outside hub for the neighborhood to support the speeds I upgraded to. Everything was working perfect. There was no need for that because that wasn't the issue.
He took my info to escalate this, but I said maybe let's try to speak to someone in escalated tech. (When he said we needed a tech sent to my house, that was about the point I realized the tech rep had served his purpose and could not provide any more help.) He transferred me to the escalation team.
I explained everything to the new rep. She agreed that perhaps it was the signal from WOW being sent out that was causing the issue. She said maybe it was too strong of a signal. She sent me to an escalated troubleshooting team that can do more looking into things. I confirmed with her this wasn't the basic troubleshooting team I just got done talking to.
I was put on hold for 40 minutes, then spoke to an agent. She claimed that there is an Internet issue which is preventing modems from being activated. I said that was an Amazon Web Services outage, but this issue has gone on for closing in on a month, so it's not related to AWS. She wasn't able to help much because of the AWS issue, so she said to call back tomorrow. She gave me a direct phone number and a PIN for my case, and I call that tomorrow to repeat this entire process all over again. In the meantime, I swapped back to my old setup, confirmed I had Internet, and the call ended.
So, what the heck, I'll do this tomorrow I guess and see what happens. I have no faith at this point. I will update on this tomorrow. But I really need something to happen tomorrow one way or another. I've spent too much time messing with this.
- Basha94GuideWe are having this EXACT issue since December 1st. We have spend a total now of 6 hours of phone time between ISP(wow) and NG support and nothing. THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting about this. We are on our 2nd CAX80 router and NG was supposed to be escalating this issue to level 2 tech support, but haven't heard anything back from them so far. We ordered a modem from wow and they can't activate due to AWS issue. So frustrating. We are currently speaking will wow about this issue. Not sure if you are wanting to switch ISP's or not but if you are in an area where spectrum is available the CAX80 is compatible and certified with them. I'm currently thinking about doing this but just trying to get some type of internet access for now. (Like I said we've been out of internet since the 1st of December)
- Moocow1980ApprenticeSpectrum charges way too much. Once your promo ends, they jack your price up. I had them at first, and when I told them WOW had the same service at a fraction of the cost, they didn't care. I pretty much refuse to go back to them.
I agree that something most likely changed on WOW's end recently. I was using the CAX80 for almost a year with no issues. Let them know that someone else is having the same problem, same device, with WOW. At least you know it is not only you. I am located just outside of Chicago. My issue started between Nov 30 - Dec 1, 2021. We know that we both get internet signal, but something in the modem/router gets messed up. I tried 3 different CAX80's and the same problem each time. Maybe it is a recent SNR or power level change on cable line that is messing with the modem. Maybe a change in the cable firmware from WOW. I wonder if it would have issues with Xfinity or just WOW. Alot of different testing would need to occur to really pinpoint the issue. I would really like to go back to the CAX80, but I can't keep changing modems to test. Let me know if you get a solution. Thanks again for your time in trying to solve.
- Basha94GuideWe are located in Evansville, Indiana. When we talk to them again I will let them know that another person is having this same issue and definitely give any updates or finding on this post. Hopefully it gets fixed so then you can switch back. The router was great when it had worked. We just recently got ours on August 22nd. Everything worked great up until last Wednesday, December 1st. Woke up and no wifi. Exact same issues as you. So bizarre.
- ChiFastGuide
I'm experiencing the same issue with my CAX80 and WOW isp in Chicago area. Stopped working about 2 weeks ago (worked fine for approximately 1 year) and recently had a WOW technician out to my house. Switched me to my old Motorola modem/router which works but is a temporary solution because it doesn't support full speed I'm getting from WOW. Switched back to my CAX80 to troubleshoot and had a ticket setup with Netgear. Waited 1.5 hours on hold to speak to someone. Had an appointment I had to be at and never anticipated being on hold that long so was only was able to speak to the first Netgear rep for a few minutes. Called back and they had me do troubleshooting to connect to router. Practically begged both Netgear reps I spoke with to look at these forum posts because I feel they accurately describe what is going on and might point toward a larger issue outside of individual hardware. They weren't interested. First rep laughed then told me it wasn't possible that WOW internet wouldn't work on their modems because of all modems being built to ISO standards. Second rep told me to buy a new modem/router and there was nothing they could do. I was told I might possibly hear back from someone via email if they discover a work around but I'm not holding my breath. Feel like I was just told that to get me off the line at that point.
Incredibly frustrating - I think Netgear could learn a lot from what has been posted here by others but it appears to me that the reps have their standard check the box troubleshooting steps they have to follow and won't deviate from that. I'm convinced based off the posts of others, buying a new one would accomplish nothing other than wasting my money. Netgear comes off with being far more concerned about getting you to sign up for their tech support plans than actually listening to a customer.
- Moocow1980ApprenticeI'm going to be honest, I have not called WOW tech support back like I said I would last week. I had better things to do with my time than invest yet another 2-3 hours going through the same annoying song and dance and getting absolutely nowhere.
I am going to see if there are other ISP options available to me with comparable pricing, and determine if they are a better fit. But I have two units (one of which I was never told to return) that are useless, and I'm out $400 because of this. I may be forced to sell as a result.
It's just such a shame I can't get anywhere with WOW, and to be honest, them using a foreign call center doesn't help as things aren't really getting reported to the people here in the US that need to hear it and act on it.Contact the other alternative ISPs to see if they support the CAX80 if they are a cable ISP. Hopefully if they support it, you should be able to use the CAX80. If you don't have to return the other CAX80, keep it for back up JIC.
Moocow1980 wrote:
I'm going to be honest, I have not called WOW tech support back like I said I would last week. I had better things to do with my time than invest yet another 2-3 hours going through the same annoying song and dance and getting absolutely nowhere.
I am going to see if there are other ISP options available to me with comparable pricing, and determine if they are a better fit. But I have two units (one of which I was never told to return) that are useless, and I'm out $400 because of this. I may be forced to sell as a result.
It's just such a shame I can't get anywhere with WOW, and to be honest, them using a foreign call center doesn't help as things aren't really getting reported to the people here in the US that need to hear it and act on it.- Moocow1980Apprentice
I shopped around via the Internet. The only ones that offer service to me are WOW and Spectrum. AT&T was really good to me at my apartment, but when I tried to transfer Internet here at my house when I moved in, they said I was "too far from the box" to get quality speeds and the tech flat out told me to go elsewhere. Spectrum charges an arm and a leg and I'd just assume go from 1GB with WOW down to 500GB and sell my routers, than to go to Spectrum.
I guess the plan now is to call WOW after all tomorrow with my help ticket number and go for it one last time. No use spelling out my plan. I pretty much know how it's going to go, that it's going to fail, and then I have to decide is there a unit out there that does work to get me 1GB and performs comparatively to this unit in question, and will I be able to at least break even by selling both my unit and the replacement unit I got to keep?EDIT: Since I'm only getting 1GB of Internet, which is more than enough for my household, I've thought about the Netgear Nighthawk AX2700 (CAX30S), which maxes out at 1GB Internet speed. It's half the price of the CAX80, so I'd have to hope I could definitely resell the others on eBay. (Of course, if I got a different unit, I'd 100 percent ensure it worked; with my luck, the CAX30S would probably be bricked as well.)
- ChiFastGuide
I’m confused on how it’s an ISP issue. I get the modem could work on a different ISP right now but it was working on WOW up until very recently. If Netgear put out a firmware update that caused it to no longer work with WOW, isn’t that a Netgear issue? WOW didn’t change anything on their end that I’m aware of. I’m not very tech savvy, is there something I’m missing?
The WOW rep I talked to a few days ago said they were aware of issues with Netgear modems and it didn’t sound like they had any plans to do anything about it.
- Moocow1980ApprenticeAs discussed throughout this thread, the ISP (in this case, WOW) put out its own firmware update to the modem side in the second half of November. This update created the incompatibility, because at one time, everything was fine, until it wasn't.
Given people in here have had multiple units and replacements from Netgear, and ended up with the same issue each time, the idea every unit is defective is slim to none.
Therefore, the only logical coonclusion is WOW changed something on its end and created this mess. Thus, it is an ISP issue.Also, do you notice any wifi issues if you say, pull the power cord for 1 minute then put it back in?
Moocow1980
- Moocow1980Apprentice
My final update:
I re-reviewed ISP prices in my area. WOW is by far and away the best I can get for the monthly price. Nothing else compares at all. Staying with WOW is the intelligent decision.
I then bought a CAX30 at Best Buy (which, for all intents and purposes, is the model that is just a step down from the CAX80, and you'll see that if you do a side-by-side specs comparison.) The CAX30 supports 1GB speed, which is the plan I have, and it has all the functionality that I will need for a proper modem/router combo unit in my household.
I activated it with WOW a couple of hours ago, and I haven't had any issues to speak of in this very small sample time. I am getting the speeds that I should. I am surfing websites and streaming videos like normal. I guess the fact that it booted right up and worked right away was amazing to me in itself, after all the issues I was having with the CAX80. I will need more of a sample size to confidently say this, but the CAX30 is likely my final solution.
As I previously said, based on everything I have experienced, and based on others' experiences, I am convinced that WOW has done some sort of update to its system in the second half of November 2021 that somehow suddenly "bricked" the CAX80. But my patience in continuing to push the issue with WOW had worn very thin, because multi-hour calls were just draining, and you never could seem to talk to someone physically in the United States. There is definitely a disconnect between what WOW has done and what info the overseas call center has.
As for my CAX80 unit, and another CAX80 unit that Netgear sent me under warranty for free with nothing expected in return (don't ask me how that happened; it just did), in the next couple of days, I will be putting them up for sale on eBay. In doing so, I'll explain nothing is wrong with the units, but it was this ordeal with WOW, and that prospective buyers that have WOW should probably avoid this unit as it's confirmed not compatible right now, and may never be compatible ever again for all we know.
I am also operating under the idea that I will be losing money on this entire situation due to having to buy a different model unit, even with the fact I have two CAX80s to sell. I will try to speak to WOW customer service on the billing side to try and get an account credit for my troubles, given the amount of times I have called them.
I hope my thread has helped some of you find comfort and realize other people are going through the same thing. Whether some of you follow my lead in buying a different model unit, or decide to switch ISPs, or decide to continue the campaign to get WOW to understand, I wish you the best of luck. And I may keep up on this thread for a while until the activity simply dies down and it isn't posted in for weeks. Maybe I'll add a supportive comment or two, who knows? Otherwise, consider this the end of my active involvement in the issue, as hopefully, the CAX30 does not repeat history and I don't ever encounter my CAX80 issues ever again.
I find this interesting that the CAX30 has been working, though a short time being online, yet the CAX80 doesn't. I believe these two models are using same modem HW and router HW sans the wifi IS different between them and sans the multi-gig port is not available on the CAX30. Find it odd that WoW can't make the CAX80 work on there network or revert back to what had been working prior to Novemeber 2021. Ya think someone at WoW would see this. :smileyfrustrated:
- Moocow1980Apprentice
I admit, I was expecting the same issue for the CAX30 because they're basically very similar on paper. I haven't tried a minute-long unplug, and can't right now because I am in a work seminar, but I have updated the router firmware, and it is still working properly. The unplug/replug will happen this evening as I place the unit in its normal spot with the wiring properly hidden for cable management purposes.
I will continue to monitor the CAX30, and if I have issues, I'll post them. I will be doing a lot of work seminars and streaming, so, I am pushing this unit right away. If there's going to be an issue in general, it will show up very quickly for me, but hopefully there won't be any issues.
- zanflyAspirant
My sons CA80 stopped working. I reset it back to factory and was unable to reinstall it. I went to best buy and bought another one and spent the day making numerous calls to wow trying to install the new one. Wow sent a technician that changed some splitters outside and came inside and showed me on his meter that we had a good signal. He attempted to install both the old CAX80 and the new one to no avail. We installed an older modem router temporarily.
There is definitely something going on that this router is having a problem with WOW or the routers have turned into expensive boat anchors.
zanfly wrote:
My sons CA80 stopped working. I reset it back to factory and was unable to reinstall it. I went to best buy and bought another one and spent the day making numerous calls to wow trying to install the new one. Wow sent a technician that changed some splitters outside and came inside and showed me on his meter that we had a good signal. He attempted to install both the old CAX80 and the new one to no avail. We installed an older modem router temporarily.
There is definitely something going on that this router is having a problem with WOW or the routers have turned into expensive boat anchors.- zanflyAspirant
i had been working with netgear and wow trying to find out why my sons CAX80 failed and no mine is dead.
- Basha94GuideHere's a small update for everyone. We have switched providers. We originally were with WOW and then our CAX80 went out due to a firmware update to the modem on WOW's side. We are now with spectrum. The CAX80 is working fine so far. I will let everyone know if we have any issues with spectrum. Right now spectrum is offering 2 years @ $106 for up to 1gbps speed. That is the same price we were paying with WOW, and we were only on WOW's 100mbps speed plan. Now after 2 years on that spectrum plan the price will go up to $156 but that's 2 years so we went with it. We have cancelled our service with WOW and told them that bc of this issue that is why we were canceling. Hopefully for everyone else's sake they will start looking more deeply into it. This has been such a frustrating experience and I hope that Spectrum works way better for us.
- Moocow1980ApprenticeMy 1GB plan with WOW is $60/month. That's the reason I didn't switch to Spectrum, because it was more cost-efficient to just buy the step-down unit and stay with WOW. (But I am in Columbus, and our area was sold to another company, so, long-term, whenever they transition things, who knows what happens with the new company.)
- JinguniGuideI just got WOW internet (highest speed at my location) and I’m not able to setup my cax80. I’ve failed trying to connect via WiFi or Ethernet, I spoke with NETGEAR support and was told to exchange it. I got another new modem but same issue. Is it safe to say if I want to keep WOW, I need to use another modem other than cax80?
- That would be my assumption but good luck getting a refund for it.
- JinguniGuideDoes anyone have recommendations for another modem with similar specs to the CAX80 that will work with WOW?
- Basha94GuideSo on netgears website they say that within the year if anything goes wrong they must replace it with an equivalent product that functions or a refund if they can't replace it. If I were you I would call them and tell them that is what it says on their website. If they can't give you an equivalent function device then they must give you a refund. We have been lucky to get a good deal with spectrum and have switched and CAX80 has worked fine so far. If you aren't wanting to switch from wow then I would advise you to remind them of their own policy.
- Moocow1980ApprenticeThe device is functional. It's not a Netgear issue. It's an ISP issue. If Netgear refunds your money, that's on them, but this isn't a situation where they refund. It isn't their responsibility to ensure the device is compatible with your ISP. This case is unique because it used to work, and Netgear probably wants things to be resolved, but ultimately, this shouldn't qualify for a refund.
- Supmario89AspirantI bought a new CAX80 in February cause the router they provided is a technicolor with no features. After spending hours trying to get it set up and calling both Netgear and Wow to no avail it still would not work and I plugged in the provided router and it worked. I finally found this forum and have been following to see if it is fixed. I sent back the router the last day I could after trying again. Really wanted to be able to use a good router with Wow and plan on reordering if/when this ever gets fixed.
- Supmario89AspirantI am in St. Petersburg fl. This this is a company wide issue and no one seems to know anything about it with WOW.
NG and WoW should be working to get the CAX80 going as well. Users need to contact NG if they still have there CAX80s on WoW.
Please contact a forum moderator for additional help and information.
Supmario89 wrote:
I bought a new CAX80 in February cause the router they provided is a technicolor with no features. After spending hours trying to get it set up and calling both Netgear and Wow to no avail it still would not work and I plugged in the provided router and it worked. I finally found this forum and have been following to see if it is fixed. I sent back the router the last day I could after trying again. Really wanted to be able to use a good router with Wow and plan on reordering if/when this ever gets fixed.- ErnestTheGreatNETGEAR Employee Retired
WOW and Netgear are working together the ball is WOW court there is a solution for issue WOW is testing in their lab before rolling out to users. Not sure when WOW will be done with fix and roll it out. It has to do with their configuration.
- Lucas_SzAspirant
I continue having issues with CAX80. Went through soft and hard resets multiple times, worked with support team to determine what's wrong with it, got an OK to replace under warranty .... AND to add insult to injury the support team didn't work with me on the return / exchange for new gear, just because I had Covid and sent in my paperwork late by a day. All my emails got completely ignored. It's a shame how I got treated, especially considering the top of the line equipment that we are talking about.
Please send ErnestTheGreat and olympos1625 a PM and they will help you out.
Lucas_Sz wrote:
I continue having issues with CAX80. Went through soft and hard resets multiple times, worked with support team to determine what's wrong with it, got an OK to replace under warranty .... AND to add insult to injury the support team didn't work with me on the return / exchange for new gear, just because I had Covid and sent in my paperwork late by a day. All my emails got completely ignored. It's a shame how I got treated, especially considering the top of the line equipment that we are talking about.
- ErnestTheGreatNETGEAR Employee Retired
Lucas_Sz I am sorry about the poor experience you had with the support team they are usually pretty flexible. The issue on CAX80 and WOW is related to the configuration file WOW is pushing to CAX80 devices that is causing the device to enter a weird state creating the problem that CAX80 WOW customers are seeing. Since this is a WOW ISP configuration file that is pushed to CAX80 rma/replacement will not help unless you clearly have a hw failure where its not powering up or the WiFi radio modules are dead.