This area in Central Oregon now has FTTH and the ONT on my house is by Calix. There is a 722GE inside the ONT. I'm subscribed to just 100mbps and don't need speed. No TV, no phone. CAT5 brings internet into the house. The ISP supplied gateway (?) is an Actiontec T3200M. This works, of course, but I don't need the monthly fee for renting the Actiontec. So the issue is the ISP can't (or will not) get the R7000P connected to their network. Talking to Netgear tech support, the MAC address of the Actiontec was substituted (spoofed) into the configuration of the R7000P and connects to the ISP's network. Works great, good speed, etc. The ISP never noticed for weeks until I called and wanted to use my router/MAC address. Hate to point fingers, but what could I be missing. At my level the only difference is the MAC address. Is GPON that fussy? I'm all ears.

The ISP router might have troubleshooting information available for the ISP (by TR-069 and CPE WAN Management Protocol (CWMP), SNMP, by any kind of CLI accessfor example). This is not a GPON thing.Be happy there is an ONT and not just the naked fiber with GPON or XGS-PON - there you can't connect a generic router, even with SFP resp. SFP+ and a matching fiber module.

Well..............you lost me, sorry. This is above my level. I'll look at your suggestions (check Google). The information pertaining to the 722GE and Actiontec is scarce. Seems the ISP equipment provided, is sold only to an ISP and not to individuals. Without the option to purchase and little or no documentation, we the customers have a tough nut to crack.

WishIknew wrote:The information pertaining to the 722GE and Actiontec is scarce. Seems the ISP equipment provided, is sold only to an ISP and not to individuals. That's correct - and there is nothing you need or can do. The Netgear routers can be run, and the ISP does not enforce you to use it's own equipment. It just makes a little disadvantage for the ISP support. The typical hand-over point between the ISP and the owner equipment is the Ethernet port, at least on cable modem or ONTs. Even if you could buy ISP equipment in the free market, it won't be customized to the ISP requirements and defaults. TR-069 (ff.) requires for example a signed certificate owned by the ISP. This can be different in markets where telephony and TV is coming in over the single fiber. Replacing the ISP CPE will lead to a loss of the phone service, the IPTV part requires some tech know-how, while the pure Internet can be made workable relatively easy. No nutcracking required. All the information provided is just background for the interested reader. Or have I missed any real problem caused by using the Netgear router?

"Even if you could buy ISP equipment in the free market, it won't be customized to the ISP requirements and defaults. TR-069 (ff.) requires for example a signed certificate owned by the ISP." Ok, this I understand............but. "Or have I missed any real problem caused by using the Netgear router?"............but. Without the ISP knowing, spoofing the Actiontec's MAC address into my R7000P, my Netgear router has access to the internet and works. Upon letting the ISP know my R7000P is connected to the "hand over point", using its own MAC address it doesn't work. It could be when the ISP didn't know about the spoofing, they were not asking for that TR-069? Or since I can't see what the ISP is doing, my Netgear router's MAC address is not given their blessings. Yes I understand using my router there is no support from the ISP. No TV or phone service from the ISP, but the information given is good to know. So the "real problem" is not being allowed to use my router and paying rental fees for the Actiontec. When I have a little more time, one more experiment for grins & giggles.

WishIknew wrote:Without the ISP knowing, spoofing the Actiontec's MAC address into my R7000P, my Netgear router has access to the internet and works. Upon letting the ISP know my R7000P is connected to the "hand over point", using its own MAC address it doesn't work.This is the reason this feature exits on Ethernet routers for decades - because few ISP "lock" the connection to either thier own or to the first MAC connected. WishIknew wrote:It could be when the ISP didn't know about the spoofing, Of course they know ... WishIknew wrote:So the "real problem" is not being allowed to use my router and paying rental fees for the Actiontec. When I have a little more time, one more experiment for grins & giggles. Guess they want you to pay, then to pay, and then to pay again ... for no added value. Is there anything the like in the contract disallowing to use a different router?

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schumaku
Guru
Jan 20, 2021
The ISP router might have troubleshooting information available for the ISP (by TR-069 and CPE WAN Management Protocol (CWMP), SNMP, by any kind of CLI accessfor example). This is not a GPON thing.

Be happy there is an ONT and not just the naked fiber with GPON or XGS-PON - there you can't connect a generic router, even with SFP resp. SFP+ and a matching fiber module.
- WishIknew
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  Jan 20, 2021
  Well..............you lost me, sorry. This is above my level. I'll look at your suggestions (check Google). The information pertaining to the 722GE and Actiontec is scarce. Seems the ISP equipment provided, is sold only to an ISP and not to individuals.
  
  Without the option to purchase and little or no documentation, we the customers have a tough nut to crack.
  - schumaku
    Guru
    Jan 20, 2021
    WishIknew wrote:
    The information pertaining to the 722GE and Actiontec is scarce. Seems the ISP equipment provided, is sold only to an ISP and not to individuals.
    That's correct - and there is nothing you need or can do. The Netgear routers can be run, and the ISP does not enforce you to use it's own equipment. It just makes a little disadvantage for the ISP support. The typical hand-over point between the ISP and the owner equipment is the Ethernet port, at least on cable modem or ONTs.
    
    Even if you could buy ISP equipment in the free market, it won't be customized to the ISP requirements and defaults. TR-069 (ff.) requires for example a signed certificate owned by the ISP.
    
    This can be different in markets where telephony and TV is coming in over the single fiber. Replacing the ISP CPE will lead to a loss of the phone service, the IPTV part requires some tech know-how, while the pure Internet can be made workable relatively easy.
    
    No nutcracking required. All the information provided is just background for the interested reader. Or have I missed any real problem caused by using the Netgear router?

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