Verizon Fios ONT & AX6000

My apologies for the confusion.  Yes, the FIOS ONT is the large box on the side of my house.  I was referring to the FIOS gateway device in my home that I used to access via the 192.168 network.

Got it.  The question for you is do you still need the Verizon Gateway.  If you are going to use your Orbi as your primary router and don't need any of the capabilities of the Verizon Gateway to support FiOS set top boxes (STBs) then you can simply eliminate the Verizon Gateway.   This is the path I've gone down since I've switched over to streaming services and eliminated FiOS set top boxes.   I can't tell from your original post but it sounds like this is what you are trying to do.  You actually don't want the Verizon Gateway on your network since you should be managing your in home network through the Orbi (which is now at the 192.168.1.1 address).

If you need the capabilities of the Verzion Gateway because you have FiOS TV and use the STBs then you have to decide whether you want the Verizon Gateway to be your primary router and use your Orbi in AP mode or whether you want to use your Orbi as the primary router and the Verizon Gateway as an ethernet to coax bridge.  There are pro/cons to both approaches, the link I sent above covers them in detail. In either case the Verzion Gateway would have to be configured on your LAN network so you can still access it through the 192.168.1.x address.

Thanks for the input.  Currently, the Orbi is the router and the FIOS gateway is in bridge mode and I'm enjoying the improved Internet performance over the Eero V2 setup. Since I still have my FIOS One set-top boxes, I will require the FIOS gateway device moving forward.  Any idea when Netgear's Armor services will be ported to the RBR850 platform?

Probably what you need to do is Option 7 under the link I sent you.  The detailed instructions are here: 

http://www.dslreports.com/faq/15993

and some other useful information is here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fios/comments/4dm7zp/configuring_quantum_gateway_g1100_behind_personal/

When you are done making these changes the Verizon Gateway will be in bridged mode and you'll set its static IP address to 192.168.1.2 so you can log into its management interface at that IP address.   

I ran in that configuration for a month or two and after the initial reconfiguration from router to bridge I found that I seldom needed to access the router because you have it configured as an ethernet to MoCA bridge -- you aren't really using much of its functionality in that mode.

This would be a double NAT condition which isn't recommended. https://kb.netgear.com/30186/What-is-Double-NAT
https://kb.netgear.com/30187/How-to-fix-issues-with-Double-NAT
Couple of options,
1. Configure the modem for transparent bridge or modem only mode. Then use the Orbi router in router mode. You'll need to contact the ISP for help and information in regards to the modem being bridged correctly.
2. If you can't bridge the modem, disable ALL wifi radios on the modem, configure the modems DMZ/ExposedHost or IP Pass-Through for the IP address the Orbi router gets from the modem. Then you can use the Orbi router in Router mode.
3. Or disable all wifi radios on the modem and connect the Orbi router to the modem, configure AP mode on the Orbi router. https://kb.netgear.com/31218/How-do-I-configure-my-Orbi-router-to-act-as-an-access-point and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7LOcJ8GdDo&app=desktop

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Jmartinb wrote:

My apologies for the confusion.  Yes, the FIOS ONT is the large box on the side of my house.  I was referring to the FIOS gateway device in my home that I used to access via the 192.168 network.

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I had Verizon configure the ONT so that I can use the Ethernet connection.  It is now connected directly the Orbi and my Internet service is working well, all internal wireless devices on the 10. network.

I also have my ONT coax interface active and connected to the gateway device to drive all the FIOS TV services.  Essentailly, two networks.

Given the Orbi is now connected directly to the ONT, what can I do to make the Orbi as secure as possible until Netgear provides us with better security tools?

Thanks all for the help.

From my understanding only connecting the Verizon gateway to your ONT coax and not bridging it between the Orbi LAN and the ONT Coax will result in some loss of functionality.  The FioS STBs get their video directly from the ONT coax so you can watch video on your STBs, that all works fine.   However, Verizon's gateway plays a role in getting guide information and Video on Demand to your FiOS STBs.  If it isn't connected as a bridge between your Orbi's LAN ethernet and the coax I don't believe you'll get FiOS video on demand services for example. I also think your guide data will get stale.  All of this needs to be on one LAN IP network for it to work, not split into two IP networks unless you've decided you don't need the guide and VOD.

Sidenote: Per other replys on this thread you shouldn't have be concerned about double NAT'ing,  the only NAT happens in the router in these configurations (Orbi or the Verizon Gateway whichever is routing from the WAN).  The ONT is not an IP network device - it essentially splits optical signals and multplexes them into different physical interfaces (Coax, Ethernet, Phone).  There's no IP termination in the ONT.

Hey all, so with my situation, it all seems to be fixed... Good info there and basically I set mine up essentially how that link was posted by accident it seems like lol

No double NAT. TV STB connected and run fine.

I do have an odd issue though. I run a QNAP NAS at my house. When I ran through the VZ Quantum Gateway, connectivity was perfect. No issue. Now with the Orbi, even using UPnP or doing manual port fowrads, I can't get ports 8081 or 80 to work. To prove it is not an issue because of how I currently have the network setup, I completely disconnected the VZ Quantum Gateway and it has no impact on the results.Same thing. 

I know how to port forward and all that fun stuff, but for some reason these ports won't open and forward. Verizon has confirmed all ports are open.

What am I doing wrong here? 

Again, don't consider double nat or any issues with how I am running it because like I stated, I can have the Quantum Gateway completely disconnected from the network and I have this issue. It seems that when I use the Verizon Gateway though as the primary driver and set those ports to forward, they actually do forward. Opening the ports in the Orbi doesn't seem to be working.

What ideas do ya'll have?

Thanks

Will do. Thanks.

Enjoy.