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gr8sho
Virtuoso
Feb 26, 2019

Advanced Wireless Settings - odd default choices

Hello,  When I was reading reviews for this product there were two features that drew me to it.  One was the 3rd band for dedicated wireless Ethernet backhaul.  The second was for MU-MIMO support, which Apple recommends for its devices.  Oddly this feature is apparently off by default.  Can someone explain this choice to me?  I'm going to switch this on along with the other two options on offer unless someone has strong recommendation against.  Generally I'm in favor of keeping devices like this in as close to factory default state as possible.

 

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  • I suspect it was to conserve resources since the majority probably dont need it.  Works great with it on (on my install)

  • FURRYe38's avatar
    FURRYe38
    Guru - Experienced User

    MIMO is disabled by default since MIMO isn't supported on every device. Espeically for older devices. So there is a check box in the routers web page to enable or disable it as needed. Check with your devices mfr to see what is supported for MIMO. 


    gr8sho wrote:

    Hello,  When I was reading reviews for this product there were two features that drew me to it.  One was the 3rd band for dedicated wireless Ethernet backhaul.  The second was for MU-MIMO support, which Apple recommends for its devices.  Oddly this feature is apparently off by default.  Can someone explain this choice to me?  I'm going to switch this on along with the other two options on offer unless someone has strong recommendation against.  Generally I'm in favor of keeping devices like this in as close to factory default state as possible.

     


     

    • gr8sho's avatar
      gr8sho
      Virtuoso

      What you're saying is MU-MIMI feature being enabled will somehow cause older devices to be unable to connect to WiFi.  So far everything I've tried works including devices dating back to 2008.  Unless I don't understand what and how MU-MIMO works as this particlur tech is new to me.

      • FURRYe38's avatar
        FURRYe38
        Guru - Experienced User

        No, just taking advantage of MIMO takes both router and device to support it. Some users don't have MIMO on there devices so this feature can be distabled. If it's working for you then of course, keep it enabled. 

         


  • gr8sho wrote:

    .......... The second was for MU-MIMO support, which Apple recommends for its devices.  Oddly this feature is apparently off by default.  Can someone explain this choice to me?  I'm going to switch this on along with the other two options on offer unless someone has strong recommendation against.  Generally I'm in favor of keeping devices like this in as close to factory default state as possible.

     


    Regarding MU-MIMO settings:
    MU-MIMO (Multi-User MIMO) should not be mixed with MIMO. MIMO is actived always in Orbi. Orbi has 2x2 design and can support up to 2 spatial streams.So using MIMO Orbi can transmit and receive data streams to/from capable devices using two antennas and thus achieve higher throughput.
    Most mobile phones support max of 2x2 spatial. Latest iPhone XS supports only 2x2 spatial streams. 
    MU-MIMO is something totally different! MU-MIMO uses a special form of beamforming (on 5 GHz band only) to enable multiple devices to share the same Wi-Fi airtime, so you need at least two MU-MIMO devices to get any benefit from MU-MIMO.
    Important to note is that -practically- many 4x4 based designs support only up to three simultaneous devices, 3x3 designs support up to two, 2x2 designs (e.g. Orbi) can't support any in most cases! Orbi has capability to provide peak throughput gain with two single-stream devices for few device types that have “correct” chipset.
    In fact, for most cases with most of available devices, MU-MIMO provides no significant benefit. And in other cases, it can result in degraded Wi-Fi throughput! That's why it's disabled by default in Orbi as well as in most of other wifi router manufacturers.
    So in summary the MU-MIMO in a router is like 3D in a TV, isn't costing us extra anymore but certainly not always adding a value or a reason to prefer one product over another.

    • gr8sho's avatar
      gr8sho
      Virtuoso

      ekhalil 

      I have to say despite my efforts to understand this MU-MIMO stuff, it feels somewhat illusive.  If both the iPhone X and the RBK50 support 2x2, can I assume with the MU-MIMO feature enabled, that the iPhone is getting that kind of connection.  I'm not expecting all my device to get such a connection if they are not capable, but I at least expect it for the iPhone.  I have no way to visibly confirm this?

       

      And thanks for the lengthy post.